Posted on 07/15/2002 10:58:55 PM PDT by scripter
One of the fastest growing churches among homosexuals in America and around the world is the Metropolitan Community Church – a "Christian" church specifically for "gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered communities." The MCC was originally started by openly homosexual ex-Baptist minister, Troy Perry, who after the discovery and disclosure of his homosexuality, losing his license as a minister, a divorce and estrangement from his wife and children, as well as a failed suicide attempt, "rediscovered" his rainbow-colored vocation and ministry.
From his Los Angeles living room in 1968, Perry and his initial 12 members began their "gay church." According to their website, in 2003, the MCC will embody over 77,000 members, spanning more than 17 countries around the globe. Tens of thousands of so-called faithful "Christian" homosexual men and women flock weekly to MCC-affiliated churches worldwide to be "reaffirmed" with the message that God loves them and "gay is OK."
The Rev. Troy Perry, highly regarded in gay circles, has been an invited guest to the White House on four separate occasions from 1977 to 1997 – three alone by former President Bill Clinton. In 1997, Clinton "celebrated" Perry as an "honoree" at a White House breakfast recognizing 100 national "spiritual leaders" in America.
I don't know where this new "open and affirming" world would be today without this modern-day homosexual prophet and "gay"-savvy biblical interpreter. According to Perry and the MCC's official website, for over 2,000 years, Christians including myself, have been interpreting the Bible wrong. Maybe you have, too. Did you know:
In the immoral days in which we live, homosexual men and women are grasping for every possible straw to get acceptance for their destructive, aberrant lifestyle. The secret gay agenda has infiltrated the media, Hollywood, the public schools, the government and, yes, now even religion. How sad to say homosexuals have gone as far as to try and hijack and pervert biblical Christianity and the Gospel of Jesus Christ – all in the name of "gay sex." And America, we've let it happen.
As a man who once lived as a homosexual, my heart continually breaks for those lost in the web of the "gay" deception – a life of sadness, loneliness, pain and even death. Yet a godly anger within me burns even more for those who have the gall and nerve to try and make my Lord and Saviour, the One who rescued me from the tentacles and grips of the homosexual lifestyle, into the "God of Gay."
It may be a "rainbow day" for these misguided men and women now ... in biblical terms, "the pleasures of sin for a season." I highly doubt that it will be as colorful a day when they hear the words from the God whom they thought was so "open and affirming": "Get away from, ye that work iniquity ... I never knew you."
May they be miraculously reached with the truth in love, before it's too late.
It's not a theology; it's just a denial of Christian theology.
That's another good one. Talk about corrupting the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of inhospitality?
Lord have mercy on us!
Hey, he has every right to believe that homosexual behavior is sinful. This IS a country of religious freedom. If you believe that behviors like anal intercourse, fisting, oral sodomy, rimming, etc. etc. are wonderful things, that's your right.
The Bible is extremely clear on the issue of homosexual behavior. YOu don't have to believe it, or agree with it. But it's very clear. And people have every right to believe that homosexual behavior is not a good thing (just like you have every right to believe it's a good thing).
1) Diminishing or ignoring altogeather what's written plainly in black and white..
2) Taking other verses, also written plainly in black and white and turning them into some kind of arcane thing with a hidden double meaning.
(it's allot like the way our Constitution is attacked to be honest about it.. Same strategy, same ridiculous results..)
I agree. It is dishonest. And sad.
Since you have studied Greek, has anybody ever posed this argument: In NT, in I Corinthians 6, there's a laundry list of things that will prevent one from inheriting the kingdom. In the NKJV, the word homosexual is used in this list. A Greek Orthodox gay had argued that this interpretation comes from two words in the Greek, which turn out to be "man-bed". He said that Paul, if he meant homosexual, he would have used the common word used at the time, but instead chose this phrase. What do you think?
My rejoinder was this proves nothing. Man-bed sounds suspicious. Also, if this man-bed thing is so innocuous, why is it in this list? I also asserted that maybe Paul didn't want to use the common word because is provoked disgust. For example, Paul used "fell asleep" instead of "died". Similarly, I would not use the word "fag", but would prefer to use homosexual or gay.
No.
Not according to the Bible ;
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus
This tells us that Christ had changed these homosexual Corinthians. That change is possible because God's Word says it is.
Of course the numerous ex-gay ministries and thousands of ex-gays testify to this Biblical truth.
The other agenda is the neutering of religion's constraining effect. If people insist on devotion to some sense of spirituality, the socialists will at least remove from that devotion any obligation, any notion of sacrifice. It falls under the heading of defining deviancy down. You get to claim to be a Christian, but you needn't obey any of Christianity's laws. Isn't that convenient??!
This is simply a band of moral cowards masquerading under the label "Christian."
Was Jesus 'gay'?
Aw man, can't they leave him alone?!? He's already been crucified once! You'd think that'd be enough for these sick freaks!
Oh, so you claim to be more of an expert on the lives of ex-gays than they are themselves?
You know more about their personal experiences and whether they have or have not changed, than they do themselves, RIGHT?
But you are the one who previously posted this;
mille99;"It's amazing how many "straight" Christians are experts on homosexuality, but actual gay people have no idea what they're talking about on the subject."
Amazing double-talk.
What a blatant display of hypocrisy.
It doesn't take long to catcht the pro-gay apologists contradicting their own arguments.
Perhaps we should just stand back and let you argue with yourself.
Actually straight Christians simply believe what the Bible says about homosexuality and accept God as the moral authority on the subject;
Lev 18:22, 24 - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Do not defile yourselves with any of these things."
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(Romans 1:18-27 - Traces the practice of homosexuality in humanity and defines the practice as the final step in humanity's decline.)
1Cor 6:9-11 - Names homosexuality as one characteristic of the unsaved who are forbidden entrance into the kingdom of God.
1Timothy 1:9-10 - Describes homosexuality as being characteristic of the lawless & the ungodly. We also have destuction of Sodom in which homosexuality is described as "wickedness".
And of course we have the account of God's created intent for sexuality clearly stated in Genesis which is also confirmed by Jesus as the model by which we are to judge all sexual conduct.
Even the study on the front page of the New YOrk Times last year (the most pro-homosexual newspaper in the world?) indicated that those who had changed had completely lost their homosexual attraction. It's certainly possible for many gays - if they want it.
Yes, it's exactly that. But for me, my own experience with homosexuals in my life has reinforced (greatly) my faith in God's wisdom on this.
This describes the homosexual teenage boy rape scandal in the Catholic Church perfectly. It is still beyond my power of comprehension.
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