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Saudi Muslims begin to rethink relationship with West Some believe tenets inspired Sept. 11 attacks
SF Chronicle ^ | 7-12-02 | Neil MacFarquhar, NY Times

Posted on 07/12/2002 6:04:16 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Jidda, Saudi Arabia -- Prompted by the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, a cautious debate has begun in Saudi Arabia's closed society over intolerance toward non-Muslims and attitudes toward the West that are now viewed by some as inspiring unacceptable violence.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; davissimontv; islamists; jihad; muslims; saudiarabia; terrorism; wahhabism

1 posted on 07/12/2002 6:04:16 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Prince Sattam bin Abel Aziz...replied, "You cannot say those people represent Islam"

Like hell you can't.


2 posted on 07/12/2002 6:08:49 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It is strewn with rulings on shunning non-Muslims: don't smile at them, don't wish them well on their holidays and don't address them as "friend."

But buying and using their technology is ok. It helps their economy and keeps them powerful.

3 posted on 07/12/2002 6:22:43 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Before Sept. 11, it was just an opinion, 'I think we should hate the others,' " he said. "After Sept. 11, we found out ourselves that some of those thoughts brought actions that hurt us, that put all Muslims on trial."
All of us should take care to guard our tongues and our thoughts; Christ taught us that, spiritually, the thought is the deed.

But "prosecuting hate" is hypocisy, is not the solution, is in fact the problem. That's actually what Osamma probably thinks he's doing. The thing that defiles is not what goes in the mouth but what--having proceeded from the heart--comes out.


4 posted on 07/12/2002 6:23:02 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ppaul
>"Well, of course, I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh told a visiting reporter.

The voice of a Saudi moderate.

5 posted on 07/12/2002 6:23:37 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Saudi's are doomed!
6 posted on 07/12/2002 6:27:36 AM PDT by blam
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
guard your own tongue/thoughts if that's what floats yer boat.

as for me, anyone who either is one, or sympathizes with the goatf_rs that brought down the WTC
is my mortal enemy !

i could wear out a 12ga on 'em and have no problem owning to it at the pearly gates ...

7 posted on 07/12/2002 6:29:20 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Psychotics.
8 posted on 07/12/2002 6:31:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Well, of course, I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh told a visiting reporter.
Well, professor, Christ instructed us to "hate" our parents more than Him. So we recognize that there is "hate," and then there is hate.

What, exactly, are you talking about?


9 posted on 07/12/2002 6:35:53 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Talk is cheap. As long as royalty and politicians along with Islam's "clergy", intellectuals, businessmen and academians in all Islam-dominated countries are stuck in their hateful "religion", there will be no "cracks" in their repressive societies.

Islam's pattern of death and destruction hasn't changed in centuries. Why would it now?

10 posted on 07/12/2002 6:39:52 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Dialup Llama
"Well, of course, I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh told a visiting reporter.

No wonder Malcolm X took to this religion so thoroughly.

11 posted on 07/12/2002 6:44:02 AM PDT by 07055
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To: tomkat
And I will stand with you 100% on that!!!
12 posted on 07/12/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thought you might be interested, after Iraq it might be possible to find some allies in Saudi Arabia to aid in a peacefull change.
13 posted on 07/12/2002 10:24:23 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA; Oldeconomybuyer; *Bush Doctrine Unfold; randita; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; okie01; ...
You know, I think that the Bush message is getting received!

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14 posted on 07/12/2002 10:44:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Amazing. Yet the Left still insists there is no difference between this and the "Southern Baptists".
15 posted on 07/12/2002 12:51:28 PM PDT by Guillermo
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To: Grampa Dave; seamole; Free the USA
Jeez, the San Fran Chronicle printed this article? There's some hope for the world after all.
16 posted on 07/12/2002 1:25:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I am starting to think you are my twin. There are so many times that whatever I am thinking shows up in your reply to someone. LOL! I, too, believe that President Bush has changed the discussion around the world. Think of almost every single one of his speechs. He continues to say that America must lead - terror is always and everywhere wrong - treating women badly is always and everywhere wrong - by our strength, we will lead and we will have peace in parts of the world where no one now thinks there will ever be peace. His message is causing many countries to rethink thinks. This president will leave a legacy of peace on this globe, not war.
17 posted on 07/12/2002 1:41:49 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Shermy
Even more amazing, the article was a NY Slimes article.

Maybe a lot of Jewish Americans are cancelling their subscriptions to the SF GayRhonicle as well as the NY Slimes and LA Slimes.

18 posted on 07/12/2002 2:00:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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