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7/8/02 | commieprof

Posted on 07/08/2002 4:52:12 PM PDT by commieprof

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To: Senator Pardek
Reads more like a plea for help - and relevance. A political idenity dissolving in face of facts which her students now have access to thru the internet. Still struggling to hang on to old prejudices. Soooo 9/10.
21 posted on 07/08/2002 5:18:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: commieprof
Some questions:

What kind of vehicle do you drive?

Have you ever flown on an airplane?

Have you ever been mugged?

Since income taxes are based on profits, is it your position that profits are obcene and so taxes are obcene?

Does it bother you that you live off taxes paid by others, based on their income or profits? When you look in the mirror do you see a leech?

Have you ever had a real job?

I could go on, but you get the point. Leeches do not mind living off the hard work of people who have real jobs.

22 posted on 07/08/2002 5:18:57 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Senator Pardek
Beer is probably a close fourth, but we haven't had to fight any wars to protect "beer profits", either.
23 posted on 07/08/2002 5:20:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: commieprof
Dana,

You say capitalism exploits the poor of 3rd world countries? Tell me, if there were, say, minimum wage laws over there do you think that our companies would go that far to hire anymore? Then, tell me who will hire those out of work workers for that pay? You just starved hundreds of thousands, but at least they die "unexploited" huh?

24 posted on 07/08/2002 5:20:44 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: commieprof
bump for later (meaning that I have posted this response so that I may return to this thread later when I have more time to read it).
25 posted on 07/08/2002 5:22:13 PM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: BrooklynGOP
Very nicely stated and articulated reply to the commieprof. You ought to be the university professor (if you're not one already) instead of her! I'd rather my tax dollars go to support someone who thinks like you think, not to her.
26 posted on 07/08/2002 5:22:52 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: commieprof
Another Lefty with no sense of Irony, and an apparent love
for the usual boilerplate presented as if for the first time heard by anyone anywhere. What a bore.
27 posted on 07/08/2002 5:23:47 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: Dog Gone
Beer? Great idea - excuse me!
28 posted on 07/08/2002 5:24:47 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: commieprof
He even thought that the citizenry should take up arms against a government when they thought it was becoming too tyrannical. It took a revolution to make the democracy you cherish, and in my view it will take another to make real democracy (political and economic) for the majority of the world's population.

And by "real democracy" you mean Marxism, but are not honest enough to say that. Our 'Democracy' is a most successful mix of indivual freedom, capitalism, and limited socialism. All countries could thrive if they would follow our lead, instead of the Marxist vision that you preach.

29 posted on 07/08/2002 5:25:05 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Jay W
Very nicely stated and articulated reply to the commieprof.

Thanks. I hope she'll reply.

30 posted on 07/08/2002 5:26:08 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Dog Gone
I remember all of my Electrical Engineering Professors telling me to "stay the hell away from the commie Liberal Arts Department" classes during my orientation. I remember taking this political science class and we couldn't get through 15 minutes of lecture without the prof. cracking a joke at the "right wing extreamists". My EE professors really hated the left wing wackos. They were always protesting for the dumbest things. THEY EVEN FORMED A "NO FORTUNE 500" coalition when the fortune 500 conference was held there. There are some really wacko stories that can be found in the Student's "de facto" newspaper: http://www.dailytexanonline.co m
31 posted on 07/08/2002 5:26:20 PM PDT by Texas_Longhorn
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To: commieprof; All
Because I'm the sort of person who just can't resist throwing gasoline on the fire, please allow me to post your Talking Points on Abortion for the perusal of my fellow Freepers. I expect it will prove wildly popular ;)

Talking Points on Abortion Rights

1/17/02

1. Over my year shere at UT, I’ve come out on these steps on many occasions. I’ve come out as a lesbian, as a socialist, as someone who opposes the war in Afghanistan and supports the rights of University staff. Today I’m coming out again--as someone liberated by the right to safe, legal, and accessible abortion. I gain courage from the fact that nearly half of all American women stand here with me in spirit. Nearly half of all American women will seek an abortion at some point in their lives. In 1963 my mother might have been among them, but she didn’t have this choice. She sacrificed medical school , her economic security, and her independence to have me. Although I am glad to be here, if she had had the choice and used it, I would not have known the difference.

2. In 1984, I was a sophomore in college. I discovered I was pregnant by my long-term boyfriend, who, after writing me a check for $190 and dropping me off at the clinic, left me for good. I was working way through school at Penn State. I was terrified at the prospect of bearing a child. While I was ashamed at having beeb careless enough to become pregnant in the first place , I experienced the abortion as a huge relief , not at all marked by trauma or shame. In many meaningful ways, it saved my life. Childbearing and raising should be undertaken under conditions of freedom and material and emotional security. Today I have an eleven-year-old daughter . I am glad I waited until I was ready emotionally and materially to raise her without making the wilting sacrifices required of my mother.

3. I have no shame about having had an abortion. And I think our movement should have no shame either. We have, unfortunately, been shamed into hiding by the anti-choice movement and its misrepresentations of fetuses, of women who seek abortions, and of doctors who perform them. Instead of demanding the right to safe, legal, and accessible abortion, we have been cowering behind slogans like “reduce the need, defend the right.” Where has this retreat gotten us? 4. Abortion rights have been under attack since they were won in 1973. Nearly 90% of counties in the United States have no abortion providers. Multiple legal restrictions –such as waiting periods and parental and spousal consent requirements--make abortion inaccessible to young, working, and poor women. In fifteen states there is a gag rule preventing organizations receiving state funds from mentioning abortion. Only 18 states fund abortion for poor women. Overall, states have enacted 262 anti-choice measures over the past six years. The struggle locally at Brackenridge Hospital to keep abortion services available there points up the erosion of access nationwide.

5. It is important to point out that this erosion has taken place under democratss and republicans alike. The Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal assistance for poor women’s abortions, passes every year regardless of which party dominates Congress. During Clinton’s presidency, when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate, none of the promised abortion rights improvements—including the Freedom of Choice Act and a fight against the Hyde amendment—took place. Instead, in a deal with Republicans, Clinton agreed to a global gag rule. Sentate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, a Democrat, proposed a ban on all post-viability abortions. Still NOW and NARRAL uncritically back democrats, silencing critics and alternative candidates such as Ralph Nader, who would actually defend our right to safe, legal, and accessible abortion.

6. I see an urgent need for a sustained and unashamed movement like one that won right to choose in 1973 under Nixon, it bears emphasizing, whose position on abortion resemled that of George W. Bush. The persistence of the movement pushed the political balance in favor of choice. Bush would like to tilt the balance on the Supreme Court against abortion, but a massive public outcry could be a deciding factor again in preventing him from getting away with it. In 1989, hundreds of thousands of pro-choice supporters marched on Washington. It is no accident that while Chief Justice Rehnquist was writing what he thought was a majority decision in the Webster case overturning Roe, Reagan appointee Sandra Day O’Connor swung the other way. The electoral strategy has failed and an annual day of celebration like this one is not enough to defend women’s lives.

7. In this context we need a movement that recognizes that abortion is a class issue as well as an issue of women’s freedom. Control of women and the nuclear family are tied to economic system that prioritizes corporate greed over human need and does not provide basic necessities for families such as heath care, education, food and shelter, and transportation. It is a bitter irony that young women who get pregnant are told not to have an abortion; but they are also vilified if they seek social support in form of welfare. The very same people who want to restrict abortion want to keep young women in ignorance regarding contraception and safe sex. And our movement is in retreat; abortion is a dirty word. I clearly remember the 1995 New York Times editorial in which Naomi Wolff condemned late-term abortions, seeking common ground with the anti-choice right. We can’t cave in to the misrepresentations out there . There is no such thing as ‘partial birth’ abortion. This is a term opponents invented to shame women who seek medically necessary and extremely rare late-term abortions into risking their lives. We should have no shame in our support of this option in such cases.

8. In general, the right to choose when and under what conditions to bear children is not a necessary evil—it is a necessary good. Nearly half of all American women will avail themselves of this good during their lifetime; it is a safe procedure and a responsible choice. The scientific and medical community maintains that the earliest age of viability remains at 24-26 weeks, while more than 98 percent of abortions take place before the end of the twentieth week of pregnancy. The embryo, fetus not a child; abortion is not murder. The anti-choice movement turns women into incubators rather than persons .

9. JFA exhibit coming back—try to shame us with their grotesque misrepresentations of abortion. Activist meeting tonight 7 p.m. Quacks 43rd and Duval

10. I am not ashamed to know firsthand what the right to choose means to American women. I am not ashamed to declare my support for free abortion on demand and without apology in public here today. I would be proud to march in the street to win back this vital prerequisite of women’s freedom. Let’s come out of hiding and talk back to those who would stigmatize and punish us. Let’s rebuild the movement for the right to choose for all women before we have lost it altogether. I want my daughter, should she find herself pregnant, to have the same choices that I have benefited from. For her, for all our daughters, and for ourselves, let’s build a n abortion rights movement that is not shackled by shame.


32 posted on 07/08/2002 5:26:20 PM PDT by general_re
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To: commieprof
As a socialist (not a Stalinist, and there is a difference), I have a positive vision of international solidarity and struggle against greed, war, exploitation, and oppression on a world scale.

That's nice. Socialism is a perfectly valid workable system - for ants and bees. It doesn't work for people in numbers much beyond those which a person will normally interact with directly in the course of his life. It certainly won't work on a global scale unless and until you can remove or suppress the individuality that is part of human nature, and if that's what you're after, the you are the enemy.

33 posted on 07/08/2002 5:27:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: commieprof
Dear Ms. Cloud: I linked back to your original post and read your credentials. Now I'm just a simple graduate of Florida State Univ.with a BFA actually. Nothing that earth-shattering as far as heavy duty academics; but, for the life of me, I cannot understand how you could spend that much time in higher education and still think that the War between the States (Civil War) was about slavery. Lady...You need a real history class!!!!!
34 posted on 07/08/2002 5:30:05 PM PDT by Desparado
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"Commieprof" (alias "Dana Cloud"?):

If you are as sincere as you say, then you can email me privately (using the freerepublic email) with your request to engage me in a discussion of your ideas. I will be using formal logic for the purpose of enlightenment. If your aims differ, you need not respond. I will not further the agendas of others by giving them a propaganda venue, nor will I engage in 'discussions' for the sake of 'victory'. I must caution you that I will take you to task, and you should prepare yourself accordingly.

To motivate:

I will prove to you, in no uncertain terms, that your post is irrational and nonsensical.

I will, of course, inform the other freepers of your reponse to this (or lack thereof), which should help reveal the substance and veracity of your post.

And to you I give the floor...
35 posted on 07/08/2002 5:30:37 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: commieprof

You are dumb as a box of rocks, have the same arrogance as too many slackademics with leftist axes to grind. But at least you have enough guts to post here.

I long for the days when Chairman Mao used to send "intellectuals" such as you into the countryside to hoe cabbages, shovel manure for a few years or a decade. He knew what freakin' phonies you are.

36 posted on 07/08/2002 5:31:06 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: commieprof
I should add that people in developing countries are not being liberated by the opportunites provided by U.S.-dominated world capitalism

The objective of an economic system is to divy up scarce resources. If the objective was to liberate then that requires either force or a change in faith, either way its something you apparently would not agree to.

You seem to have your expectations of an economic system misplaced.

37 posted on 07/08/2002 5:32:29 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: commieprof
Reposting my reply to your message on the earlier thread:

Althought I agree with very little of what you wrote, I commend you for having the courage to come onto this forum and express your thoughts.

That said, let me challenge you. You indicate a desire for expanded freedoms. You identify with the common person. That said, do you trust the common person with gun ownership? Do you trust the common person to bear concealed weapons in public places?



38 posted on 07/08/2002 5:33:09 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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The third most important resource needed to keep this nation running, after water and air, is oil.

Right. And it's liberals who have done everything in their power to keep us dependent on foreign oil, with their opposition to drilling in the US and hysterical fear-mongering about nuclear power.

39 posted on 07/08/2002 5:33:13 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: commieprof
Sure, your "freedoms to dissent" are important, but don't equate "freedoms to dissent" with "dissenting". There is a myth that "dissenting" is somehow inherently good. (Dissenting with people who try an avoid jumping off a cliff is one example of dissenting being bad).

Why don't you check out "dissent" in Afghanistan here: http://www.rawa.org
40 posted on 07/08/2002 5:34:54 PM PDT by Texas_Longhorn
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