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How Much Freedom Should We Trade for Our Security?
Self ^ | July 5, 2002 | Self

Posted on 07/05/2002 6:59:55 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner

This is my entry into an essay contest on this topic. Click on the URL to find details. This is a draft. Please critisize, correct, and comment. I value your input. As far as I know, this essay is bullet proof; everything in it is true and irrefutable. Let me know if I'm wrong.

How Much Freedom Should We Trade for Our Security?

I begin by clarifying the meaning and scope of this essay’s theme. By “freedom”, I mean the basic freedoms protected by the U.S. Constitution: freedom of press, of speech, of religion, of assembly, as well as all the freedoms implicitly protected, but not enumerated. By these, I include privacy, the freedom to buy and sell property, and many others, generally subsumed by the Declaration of Independence’s phrase, “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

By “security”, I mean protection or assurance of safety from acts of war and crime, including acts of terrorism. I include protection from nuclear attacks, cyber attacks, suicide bombing, kidnapping, mugging, rapes, and robbery. In short, security based in the broadest sense I can imagine.

The verb “trade” implies there is a continuum of freedom, from greatest to least, and a similar continuum of security. Another implication is that maximum freedom and maximum security are not compatible in the same society at the same time. Are these premises true? I see a variety of degrees of freedom in societies worldwide, from an America, where such freedoms are protected by the highest law in the land, to Iraq and North Korea, where personal freedoms may be curtailed by the whim of a single person, the dictator of that land. I therefore agree with the premise there is a continuum of personal freedom from country to country around the world.

Is there a similar continuum of security? No country is crime free, nor is any country free of the threat of the attacks from other nations or from terrorists, so I cannot easily conclude this from example. The essay’s theme implies that denying personal freedoms, particularly privacy, search and seizure, and perhaps travel may well increase national security. Certainly if a police or defense agency was omniscient and knew all facts about every person within the country’s borders, their ability to act to prevent crime and prosecute criminals, spies, and terrorists would be greatly increased. Being able to search any person at any time would greatly limit the ability of criminals and terrorist to pursue their agendas. Documenting all travel in and out of and within a country and limiting the travel of any person at any time would also greatly aid security efforts. All of these freedom restrictions have been done in the name of security at various times, with some, but not complete success in achieving security. I therefore agree with the assumption there is a continuum of security that can be achieved on a national level.

Such draconian security efforts, while defending the nation from attacks, do not necessarily defend every individual. Indeed, such power in the hands of government officials vastly increases the opportunity for abuse. In fact, when personal freedoms have been taken away for security’s sake, such abuses have followed. This occurred in the National Socialist government of Germany and in the communist governments of the U.S.S.R., China, and Cuba. Thus, we see there is a continuum of national security, but that does not translate to personal security. The trade off is thus between personal freedom in a society versus the nation’s security. This essay will focus on this trade off.

Given that a nation is able to increase its security by reducing personal freedoms of its citizens, should it do so? The goal is to maximize both personal freedom and national security. Can a nation achieve sufficient security while retaining the full freedom of its citizens? How much security can be achieved with no reduction in freedoms whatsoever?

I stress “freedom of citizens” because given the definition of freedom and security above, it is clear that much of the threat to security comes from non-citizens. Many of the freedom restrictions given can be applied to non-citizens: immigrants, legal and illegal, and resident aliens. Suppose all draconian restrictions were applied to all non-citizens: they all had to be tracked and registered upon entry to this country and every one had to notify the police or immigration bureau when they moved. Would this be sufficient security for the nation? Such restrictions were imposed to some extent in the United States in World Wars I and II, with severe immigration restrictions and the internment of Japanese nationals, but no other freedom restrictions. German infiltrators from a submarine were caught and tried. There were no notable domestic security violations.

National borders are still porous. If the nation devoted a large number of military units, say four soldiers per mile, along with the appropriate detection and interdiction technology, the borders could be sealed from illegal immigration. The nation would still be vulnerable from traitors among its own citizens and any non-citizens that forged their citizenship. Would that be sufficient security?

Leaving that question unanswered for the moment let me ask another: how much freedom can be given up? The very basis of the United States is the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. To reduce any personal freedom requires the modification of the Constitution. Only three amendments have been passed in the 219 years of the Constitution that have restricted personal freedoms: Amendment XVI [Income Tax (1913)] Amendment XVIII [Prohibition (1919)] and Amendment XXII [Two Term Limit on President (1951)]. The eighteenth amendment was canceled by the 21st. Practically speaking, very little freedom can be given up under the U.S. form of government to its citizens without violating the Constitution.

Further, even given that an amendment restricting personal freedoms passed, the foundation of the Constitution is the Declaration of Independence. Within it, the personal rights of citizens are derived from God, not from the government. The government is formed for the benefit of the citizens. If the government violates personal freedoms, the citizens have a right, an obligation, to overthrow the government. Therefore, if three quarters of the U.S. agreed to an amendment abridging personal privacy, for example, the remaining quarter of the states and any citizens disagreeing with the amendment are obligated to either overthrow the government or form a separate, independent government.

This is such a startling idea today, that I quote the relevant portion of the Declaration below:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Thus, the question of the essay, while true in its assumptions concerning security and freedoms, is resolved by realizing that personal freedoms are not negotiable by the government. Governments derive their power from the people, in order to secure the rights of the people. People derive their freedoms from the Creator, or, in atheistic terms, by our nature of being human. Governments cannot deny our humanity or remove our freedoms. Those that do are subject to their own people, and are liable to be overthrown. The overthrow of despots by a popular revolution has occurred many times in history, proving this point.

The practical answer to the essay’s theme is to maximize border security and protection from non-citizen threats. A nation should gather information about its enemies, while protecting the rights of its citizens. To seek to restrict a nation’s citizens’ personal liberties is to threaten the nation from within, from its citizenry, while protecting it from without. This self-defeating strategy will fail, while the other strategy has not failed in the 226 years of U.S. history.

Other nations with notable personal freedom have similarly been successful at maintaining national security. The United Kingdom has not been conquered for nearly a thousand years, despite being attacked by Spain, France, and Germany. The democracies of Canada and Australia have not been conquered in over a hundred years of existence. Democracies that have been conquered, such as France, succumbed not due to personal freedom, but due to poor military strategy, such as the Maginot line.

The most threatened nation in the world is Israel. They have suffered three major wars since their creation in 1948. They are surrounded by hostile nations and have hostile terrorists mingled within their population. They have lost thousands of lives due to terrorist attacks. They still have personal freedoms while they have won three wars and while they continue to fight terrorism, even while negotiating with their enemies. If Israel can maintain personal freedoms while under attack, why cannot every nation? Why should any citizenry give up their freedoms, when security has been obtained through brave battles against enemies rather than domestic security restrictions?

I have shown that it is not possible for a nation to give up personal freedoms and remain a stable nation. I have shown that nations with personal freedoms have not been conquered, when supplied with a good military, and those that have been conquered were due to failure of the military, not due to the personal freedoms. I conclude we should trade no freedom for security, but use freedom to work for security.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: constitution; declaration; freedom; ofindependence; security; terrorism
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1 posted on 07/05/2002 6:59:55 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Oops. I fat fingered the url. Here is the correct one: Essay contest
2 posted on 07/05/2002 7:02:32 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
none.
3 posted on 07/05/2002 7:04:06 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Looks OK...after a second reading.
5 posted on 07/05/2002 7:19:30 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
None.

What makes man secure is his freedom; they are directly related, not indirectly.

6 posted on 07/05/2002 7:20:15 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I'm with you, i'm not willing to give up one bit of freedom or privacy for the sake of security.
7 posted on 07/05/2002 7:21:53 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
By the way, the question is not really how much freedom to give up, but how much authority.

Americans have authority which they should not give up at all.

When government political momenti make the rounds seeking the answers to "how much freedom ... ?" they know well, but the public does not think hard enough sometimes to be aware of how said government artists actually seek our authority.

8 posted on 07/05/2002 7:24:42 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
those that have been conquered were due to failure of the military, not due to the personal freedoms.

And oddly enough defense is talked around and about in the WOT but nothing trully substancial is being done to increase our nations troop strenght {numbers}, aircraft, ships, or ground equipment. We get some pie in the sky talk about projects ten years down the road at best that for some reason need to be paid for at the expense of our current programs. The number one function of govermemt is national defense. It's not education, foreign aid, the arts, or other such programs.

How much freedom should be trade for our security? Outside of military and national sefense systems I say none.

But seeing avaition or rather commerical airliners are private property and venture the planes owners would be wise to secure their property with things like cameras and armed security. I can not believe in this day of our present technology there isn't a system in place to render an entire passenger cabin unconscious. What happened to the Sky Marshall program as well? It practically stopped the hi-jackings of the 1960's & 1970's and these were terrorist doing them as well.

Our rights and freedoms are indeed under attack an attack as bad or worse as the terrorist themselves. When our elected leaders have to even think twice or consider beyond 2 minutes the possibilities of our military, citizens, and even elected leaders being answerable to a world court someone in office slept through their grade school and high school history and goverment classes or is a closet socialist one of the two.

9 posted on 07/05/2002 7:28:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
None is absolutely right.

We find the source of any malignancy regardless of origin, cut/burn it out, and watch continuously for any regrowth, to which the same will be applied without hesitation.

Until this terrorist idiot mentality and its activists are killed, not imprisoned in another part of the host, more people than just American citizens are going to pay with their lives and or body parts.

Any politically correct fool who thinks or acts otherwise is guaranteeing the deaths of innocent men, women and children for many more years than necessary.

The politically correct asses are not the ones willing to die for their easy assed lives here, they are the ones who hide in the forest, hide in the granite buildings of Wa-Wa-Washington, and continue to bitch and moan rather than join in earnestly to end this insanity ASAP.

As Clinton did about the gun issue, these Congressional liars are willing to see more deaths rather than pitch in and help smooth the process where we find these cancerous people and hiding places quickly and rid the planet of this infectation.
10 posted on 07/05/2002 7:29:05 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"Given that a nation is able to increase its security by reducing personal freedoms of its citizens, should it do so?"

NO...and like the conclusion, no freedoms should be given away....
(no more freedoms given up, we have "given" too much).
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,........."

If a government of any kind gives it's citizens rights, they can be taken away...However, unalienable rights are what we are born with, endowed by a Creator----These rights should not be taken away no matter what, simple as that.

This gov't cannot even enforce all the laws in place NOW, how in the #$&% can it pass and guarantee any new laws for the sake of security?




11 posted on 07/05/2002 7:36:03 PM PDT by JustSayNoNWO
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I do not recall the exact wording...

'Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither' -Ben Franklen

We can have added security without loosing our rights and our freedoms. It is very simple: deal with illeagals. Gut the agencys that have failed us and have the government do its primary job: protect the AMERICAN people and not the world. Proper border control should not be that difficult.

12 posted on 07/05/2002 9:34:14 PM PDT by Pertinaxmnw1
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
In the mid-1980's we still had this, and had no problems:

"Suppose all draconian restrictions were applied to all non-citizens: they all had to be tracked and registered upon entry to this country and every one had to notify the police or immigration bureau when they moved. Would this be sufficient security for the nation?"

In addition, legal residents were required to register every year.

Currently, we still don't track people leaving the country, so we cannot track any persons who come legally into this country and the stay, illegally. We should track everyone leaving to assure that they leave, when they agreed.

13 posted on 07/05/2002 9:42:26 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Currently, we are at war with China, and we don't even know it. We are at war with Islam, and don't know that either.

These are the wars currently being lost, because we don't even know we are at war.

14 posted on 07/05/2002 9:44:31 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
We're not giving up our freedom to be more secure. We are giving up our freedom because the head in the box at 6PM said it's necessary to give up our freedoms to be more secure.

In case the government doesn't know, it's OK to watch foreigners, as a matter of fact, it's the LAW, and has been for decades. The government is supposed to know who they are and where they are and what they are doing.

Americans are going to die so that everyone can feel politically correct. Then on the nightly news, they will say really nice things about the people who died and everyone will fill really warm inside. They will also say that we need to give up some more freedoms.

15 posted on 07/05/2002 9:47:57 PM PDT by ibme
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
To hell with giving up any of my rights.

Solution - Eliminate the security risks. Deport every Muslim in this country. They preach hate and disdain for America. Deport every foreign student. Stop all immigration NOW for two years.

We are at war, lets act like it and eliminate any potential threat within our borders.

16 posted on 07/05/2002 10:33:12 PM PDT by ASTM366
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Good essay.

By “security”, I mean protection or assurance of safety from acts of war and crime, including acts of terrorism. I include protection from nuclear attacks, cyber attacks, suicide bombing, kidnapping, mugging, rapes, and robbery. In short, security based in the broadest sense I can imagine.

Which of our individual rights is also a contribution to national security,if it were not infringed upon as it it today?

Giving Up Liberty for Safety

People who are prisoners of fear never feel safe.

17 posted on 07/05/2002 11:57:45 PM PDT by hammerdown
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"How Much Freedom Should We Trade for Our Security?"

Easy answer. None. Ben Franklin had some interesting thoughts regarding this.

18 posted on 07/06/2002 12:03:05 AM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I see a glaring omission in your essay. The list of "freedoms" you have lost. You have taken a very abstract approach to the issue. In the abstract, anything can be asserted.

19 posted on 07/06/2002 12:03:53 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: blackbart.223
Old Ben also said the following

There never was a good war or a bad peace
Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790

Be careful when using the most socialist of the founders as your source of record.

20 posted on 07/06/2002 12:08:26 AM PDT by Texasforever
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