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Ben-Eliezer - IDF has until Sun. to dismantle 10 illegal outposts
Ha'aretz ^ | Saturday, June 29, 2002 Tamuz 19, 5762 | Yossi Verter, Ha'aretz Correspondent

Posted on 06/29/2002 12:11:50 PM PDT by Phil V.

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Ben-Eliezer: IDF has until Sun. to dismantle 10 illegal outposts

Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer said Saturday morning that he has ordered the security services to take down ten illegal outposts by Sunday evening.

"And afterward I intend to take action to take down other outposts," he said.

Ben-Eliezer, who is also Labor Party chairman, made the comments during an appearance before the Labor youth committee, at the Holiday Inn in Jerusalem. He told those attending the meeting that most of the illegal outposts were established before he became defense minister, more than a year ago.

According to the Interior Ministry's population registry there are twenty illegal settler outposts in the West Bank today. Ben-Eliezer said he was determined to dismantle all of them.

Security sources said that the first ten settlements will be dismantled by the Yesha Council of Jewish Settlements.

Ben-Eliezer and Defense Ministry officials have held intensive contacts on the evacuation of settlements with Yesha heads and Ze'ev Hever, the secretary-general of the Amana movement that assisted in the building of the outposts.

The defense minister told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee last week that within days he would dismantle 13 illegal outposts that were built following an agreement he signed with the settlers approximately one year ago.

Upon leaving the Knesset meeting, he refused to provide details on the timetable he gave to the MKs, but confirmed that he was investigating the matter. Ben-Eliezer said that security of the residents at the outposts and legal aspects were the two central considerations on the issue.

"I will soon be able to evacuate that which needs to be evacuated," he told journalists.

15 illegal settler outposts established since outbreak of intifada

Also taking part in the meeting were senior IDF officers, among them Deputy Chief of Staff Gabby Ashkenazi, GOC Central Command Major General Yitzhak Eitan, Coordinator of Government Activities in the West Bank and Gaza Major General Amos Gilad, and members of the defense ministry. According to IDF data presented at the meeting, since 1995 sixty illegal settler outposts have been established in the territories. Fifteen illegal settler outposts have been established since the outbreak of the intifada, half of them in the vicinity of Hebron.

A security source told Ha'aretz that it is clear that action needs to be taken. "The situation cannot remain as it is. The IDF cannot guard all of the settler outposts. The Israeli governments fell asleep while on guard duty and allowed this phenomenon to grow, and now the army cannot allot enough forces to guard these settlements."

By Yossi Verter, Ha'aretz Correspondent




TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 06/29/2002 12:11:50 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
If only Arafat was as serious in dealing with the families that send their kids to blow themselves up...
2 posted on 06/29/2002 12:20:27 PM PDT by College Repub
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To: Phil V.
This is really off the subject-but-I've heard Israel described as a "socialist state" . Is this the current case, and how does Israeli socialism ( if it is in effect ) differ from that of other countries.

Just curious !

3 posted on 06/29/2002 12:26:30 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: College Repub
If only Arafat was as serious in dealing with the families that send their kids to blow themselves up...

Arafat? If only Iraqi-born Labor Party chairman Ben-Eliezer was as serious in dealing with the families that send their kids to blow themselves up...

4 posted on 06/29/2002 12:29:08 PM PDT by archy
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To: Phil V.
I wonder why Mr. Defense Minister doesn't just merely wait until the pallies do their murder thing and the area of the "illegal" settlements become permanently Israeli teritory?

So why has Israel never considered territory captured from Jordan and Egypt permanent Israeli territory anyway?
And why can't there be Jewish population in future (unlikely) Muslim territories?

Inquiring minds would love to know.

5 posted on 06/29/2002 12:44:07 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: genefromjersey
Israel has no constitution. In theory the Knesset has unlimited power. That is the kind of "democracy" liberals in America admire (if they can't get that, they'll take the reverse, judicial tyranny).

Israel ranks #43 on the WSJ/Heritage index of economic freedom. Two Arab Gulf states are rated better. The top income tax rate is 50% and kicks in around $35,000. There is a 17% VAT tax and various other taxes. Canada and the UK are libertarian countries compared to Israel.
6 posted on 06/29/2002 2:37:27 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: genefromjersey
Is this the current case, and how does Israeli socialism ( if it is in effect ) differ from that of other countries.

I differs as it's agendas differ. That is to say, for instance, that environmentalism (the new home of socialist game players) is the foundation upon which, increasingly, Bedouin are dispossessed from the land and into camps. Enviros in Bedouin out

7 posted on 06/29/2002 3:46:05 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: LarryLied
OK. Now, that leaves me in a bit of puzzlement: the Freepers generally consider anything other than red brick Republican values to be "socialism" on a good day; "communism" otherwise.

How do they square their heart-and-soul support of Israel with these values ?

By the way, I've been "accused" of being " another LarryLied "for expressing something other than heart-felt approval of plans to destroy Iraq. Figured you'd get a chuckle out of that !

8 posted on 06/29/2002 3:48:02 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Publius6961
I wonder why Mr. Defense Minister doesn't just merely wait until the pallies do their murder thing and the area of the "illegal" settlements become permanently Israeli teritory?

That scenario WILL BE the one that eventually plays out. But in the meantime good international PR is always important . . .

No settlements are to be dismantled, not even the most isolated of them. If Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer wants to remove a few "illegal" outposts, he can amuse himself by doing so. In any event, the settlers set up some of these outposts for the purpose of removing them, so that they will be able to maintain other, more important sites of this kind.

9 posted on 06/29/2002 3:52:06 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Publius6961
OOPS! - wrong link in #9

Here's the correct link . . .

No settlements are to be dismantled, not even the most isolated of them. If Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer wants to remove a few "illegal" outposts, he can amuse himself by doing so. In any event, the settlers set up some of these outposts for the purpose of removing them, so that they will be able to maintain other, more important sites of this kind.

10 posted on 06/29/2002 4:00:58 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: genefromjersey
By the way, I've been "accused" of being " another LarryLied "for expressing something other than heart-felt approval of plans to destroy Iraq. Figured you'd get a chuckle out of that !

I do seeing as I have no problem with us taking out Saddam. The sooner we inflict a crushing defeat in that part of the world, the better.

The MO is always the same here and always Clintonesque: accuse others of what they don't say because what they do say is not the party line.

You pretty much have summed up my position. We should be very careful in dealing with Israel. We don't share the same values and I hope we never do. Israel turns a blind eye to many things which are unthinkable for us to tolerate.

And that, contrary to what you will hear, is not an expression of support for Arafat or the Palestinians. It is nothing more than concern for American interests.

We can be allies with Israel and support Israel. In fact,we always will. But great caution is needed.

11 posted on 06/29/2002 4:31:41 PM PDT by LarryLied
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12 posted on 06/29/2002 6:26:24 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Publius6961
So why has Israel never considered territory captured from Jordan and Egypt permanent Israeli territory anyway?

The Geneva Conventions forbid occupying powers from settling their citizens in the occupied territories. Technically, all of the settlements in the West Bank are in violation of those treaties.

13 posted on 06/29/2002 6:32:05 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: genefromjersey
How do they square their heart-and-soul support of Israel with these values ?

Well, see, we have this thing about terrorism....we don't like it. We are NEVER going to take the side of people who kill innocent civilians, women and children. Now, if Israeli women and children were throwing themselves in front of bombers that would be a whole different story. If Israelis were marching in the streets, burning the American flag, and screaming at the top of their lungs "Death to America" we might feel a little different.

14 posted on 06/29/2002 6:41:33 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Yes, but we can support Israel with reservations the same way we do every other ally except the UK. Israel is shipping military equipment to Mugabe, messing around in Angola, winking at Israelis who prop up Taylor in Liberia and destabilize Sierra Leone. A host of criminals from the former Soviet Block use Israel as a home base. If we didn't have some enemies in common in the mideast, it would be best to have nothing to do with Israel except try to restrain the actions Israel takes against our best interests around the world.
15 posted on 06/29/2002 6:51:44 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: archy
Ok, what would you have him do? Start committing genocide against the palestinians?
16 posted on 06/29/2002 7:05:54 PM PDT by Valin
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To: LarryLied
If we didn't have some enemies in common in the mideast, it would be best to have nothing to do with Israel except try to restrain the actions Israel takes against our best interests around the world

But we DO have enemies in common with them, and those enemies are using the Palestinian mess to try to derail us. And after the things that were done in OUR name over the Clinton years, I'm not about to throw any stones. We have our own messes to clean up.

17 posted on 06/29/2002 7:06:12 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Throw a couple stones on occasion and people don't walk all over you. I don't want America taken for granted. And if we get a little tougher, Jewish Democrats might reconsider trashing the best friend Israel has in the Republican Party:

PR Firm to G.O.P. Stars – Including Tom DeLay – Also Baits Israel

18 posted on 06/29/2002 7:44:00 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: genefromjersey
Israel has been in a constant state of conflict and war since it's inception. They don't have the luxury that most countries do.
19 posted on 06/29/2002 9:36:25 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Valin
Ok, what would you have him do? Start committing genocide against the palestinians?

Well, he might follow the precedent set by the British when they were the ones in charge of that area before 1947. What was their policy...and would you call that genocide?

-archy-/-

20 posted on 06/30/2002 11:17:04 AM PDT by archy
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