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Women Ordanined As Catholic Priests in Austria
The Sydney (Au.) Morning Herlad ^ | June 30, 2002 | staff writer AFP

Posted on 06/29/2002 7:15:33 AM PDT by yankeedame

Women ordained as Catholic priests in Austria

June 30 2002

AFP

A dozen women from Austria, Germany and the United States were ordained as Catholic priests on a pleasure boat on the Danube yesterday despite the threat of excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church.

The ordination on the German-Austrian border, which was fiercely opposed by bishops from both countries, was witnessed by 300 guests.

"Women make up half of all Christians. If this ordination does not effectively conform to the laws of the Church, it goes against tradition and not against faith," said Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, a former nun who is now a teacher and spokeswoman for the group.

The ordination was carried out by 68-year-old Ferdinand Regelsberger, who was himself ordained bishop in a ceremony contested by the Vatican and Austrian church authorities.

The former Benedictine monk was ordained by Romulo Braschi, an Argentine bishop who styles himself a "warrior of the soul" and a specialist in "karma", a dogma which really belongs to Hinduism.

Austria's bishops are fiercely opposed to the ordination of women, which they say goes against Catholic law.

"It is a sectarian deception which has created a schism with the Catholic Church," Maximilian Aichern, bishop of Linz in northern Austria, told Catholic news agency Kathpress.

In a message which was read out in all the churches in his diocese last week, Aichern warned the candidate "priestesses" against "a simulated ordination which would create a fundamental split with the Church".

"If they go ahead with their plans they could be excommunicated," the bishop of St Poelten in eastern Austria had warned. The bishop of Feldkirch, western Austria, had told the weekly Profil it was a "serious violation of the rules of the Church which threatens to draw in other believers".

"If a woman celebrates a mass she will be automatically excommunicated," predicted Bruno Primetshofer, an expert on Church law.

The progressive wing of the Austrian Church, which is in favour of women priests, has also distanced itself from the group.

The controversy comes amid a crisis in the Austrian priesthood. Last year, only 23 priests were ordained in a country which officially counts six million Catholics in a population of eight million.

In the 1970s, 75 priests on average were ordained each year, according to church statistics.


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1 posted on 06/29/2002 7:15:33 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
"If a woman celebrates a mass she will be automatically excommunicated," predicted Bruno Primetshofer, an expert on Church law.

Good riddance to the fools.

2 posted on 06/29/2002 7:27:47 AM PDT by Orual
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To: yankeedame
If this happens for real, the Roman Catholic Church is going to meet the same disaster/fate as the Episcopal Church.
3 posted on 06/29/2002 7:52:50 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: yankeedame
Ordained?
Impossible.
Nonsense.
A woman cannot be a "priest".
End of story.

4 posted on 06/29/2002 8:02:18 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: yankeedame
Okay. Who did they sleep with to get those jobs?

((ducking))

5 posted on 06/29/2002 8:19:13 AM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: yankeedame
IMVHO, these are NOT validly ordained Catholic Priests, but excommunicated , schismatic, heretical,former(?)Catholics .
6 posted on 06/29/2002 8:32:51 AM PDT by dadwags
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To: yankeedame
In the canon law, such an ordination would be considered 'nihil ab initio'--nothing from the start--it is a legal impossibility for such vows or ordination to have any effect.

All those taking part will/should be promptly excommunicated. These womyn will at no moment be considered Catholic priests in the eyes of Canon law and the Church.

As it should be.
7 posted on 06/29/2002 8:34:34 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: yankeedame
"Brother Darleen"..."Friar Betty"..."Father Alice"...????

"Your Eminence Elaine"..."Reverend Rita"..."Your Holiness Holly"..."Your Grace Gracie"..."Your Piety Pauleen"..."The Venerable Venessa"..."Pope Judy III"..."Vicar Valarie"..."Monsignor Molly"..."Bishop Becky"..."Cardinal Cynthia"....

8 posted on 06/29/2002 8:38:01 AM PDT by Consort
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
If celibacy is maintained, I don't think this would necessarily follow. Who's to say that without the witness of Mary Magdalen to the Resurrection, when every man previously in Christ's company had abandoned him, that there would have been any subsequent Christianity at all?

Of course if one would argue historicity....

9 posted on 06/29/2002 9:15:51 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: dadwags
IMVHO, these are NOT validly ordained Catholic Priests, but excommunicated , schismatic, heretical,former(?)Catholics .

Notice the headline, though, which imparts some measure of authenticity to the "priestesses." Bias, anyone?

10 posted on 06/29/2002 9:54:26 AM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: yankeedame
"If they go ahead with their plans they could be excommunicated," the bishop of St Poelten in eastern Austria had warned.

They're automatically excommunicated: a jure latæ eo ipso.

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

11 posted on 06/29/2002 9:59:09 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Orual
Those feminists and homosexuals in the Church's seminaries have been driving away orthodox, heterosexual men from the priesthood since the seventies, to CREATE a shortage of priests so that they could pressure the church to ordain women.

Well, what a mess. The church continues to protect the homos among them, the child predators, and to protect the bishops who protected the vile abusing 'priests'.

The church has become just another money-grubbing bureaucracy using its political clout to hide behind. Sickening.

12 posted on 06/29/2002 10:01:56 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: yankeedame
A dozen women from Austria, Germany and the United States were ordained as Catholic priests on a pleasure boat on the Danube yesterday despite the threat of excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church.

I'm no Canon lawyer but I'd say that there is no threat of excommunication. The newly ordained and the bishop who ordained them are automatically excommunicated. Their action removes them from communion with the Church.

13 posted on 06/29/2002 10:09:45 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: onedoug
If celibacy is maintained, I don't think this would necessarily follow. Who's to say that without the witness of Mary Magdalen to the Resurrection, when every man previously in Christ's company had abandoned him, that there would have been any subsequent Christianity at all?

You're right of course. 2000 years of tradition, wisdom and the guidance of the Holy Spirit mean nothing. These women are correct and all who have gone before them are wrong.

14 posted on 06/29/2002 10:12:56 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
A father is a father
a mother is a mother
A mother can do the job of a father if need be
a father can do the job of a mother if need be

This is a faith not a selective enforcement.
you do not create god in your own image.

Father?
Reverend mother?
Brother?
Sister?
15 posted on 06/29/2002 10:23:02 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: onedoug
Who's to say that without the witness of Mary Magdalen to the Resurrection, when every man previously in Christ's company had abandoned him, that there would have been any subsequent Christianity at all?

I think God would be awfully surprised that you're crediting someone else with an assist on the foundation of His Church.

But that has nothing to do with women's ordination anyway. Becoming a priest isn't a matter of something anyone is "owed." It has to do with respecting God's will.

16 posted on 06/29/2002 10:26:05 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: yankeedame; Orual; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ThomasMore; Siobhan; livius; american colleen; Diago; maryz
Was it "The Love Boat" or the "S.S. Minnow"?

Just wondering whether it was Gopher, Captain Stubing, and Julie McCoy or Gilligan, the Skipper, and Ginger presiding over the ordination ceremony.

17 posted on 06/29/2002 11:13:21 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Romulus; patent
ping
18 posted on 06/29/2002 11:41:58 AM PDT by a history buff
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To: GulliverSwift
Notice the headline, though, which imparts some measure of authenticity to the "priestesses." Bias, anyone?

I don't know that it's bias so much as ignorance.

19 posted on 06/29/2002 12:11:00 PM PDT by maryz
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
More likely it was the "Mary Celeste"
20 posted on 06/29/2002 3:19:41 PM PDT by Siobhan
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