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Xerox drops 23% in Germany,WSJ reports 6 Billion improper revenue recorded!
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Posted on 06/28/2002 2:48:44 AM PDT by BlackJack

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:10:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Stamford, Connecticut, June 28 (Bloomberg) -- Xerox Corp. shares fell as much as 23 percent in Germany after the Wall Street Journal reported the world's biggest copier maker may have improperly recorded revenue of as much as $6 billion in the past five years. The newspaper cited people familiar with the matter.


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WOW..... more bad accounting! Yikes
1 posted on 06/28/2002 2:48:45 AM PDT by BlackJack
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To: BlackJack
I read an article yesterday that attributed the accounting fiasco to the fact that CEOs have so many stock options. Instead of making them look at the long-term picture, the options instead spur them on to accounting irregularities to maximize their own wealth.

Carolyn

2 posted on 06/28/2002 2:59:48 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: BlackJack
I don't want to be the one to tell you. But ....

Have You Seen the Bible Code on Worldcom?

Hey, don't blame me. I'm just the messenger.

3 posted on 06/28/2002 3:01:37 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
Gee, how come those Bible codes only work in HINDSIGHT, after the fact?

4 posted on 06/28/2002 3:05:52 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: ex-Texan
Is that from BibleCodeDigest.com?
5 posted on 06/28/2002 3:10:24 AM PDT by brat
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To: BlackJack
What? No Andersen Consultants? Xerox should really learn to outsource their bogus accounting.
6 posted on 06/28/2002 3:21:00 AM PDT by Huck
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To: BlackJack
Has it occurred to anybody that their is an organized [terrorist?] plan to drive down the U.S. stock market?

Take this hysterical article for instance. When you check into it, you find:

The revised revenue figures for that period probably won't directly reflect anything like a $6 billion figure, because the main problem with Xerox's accounting was premature booking of revenue. Thus, much of the misbooked revenue in earlier periods will be shown in the restated results to be recouped in subsequent periods.

IOW, money was made all along, but not booked properly. IANAA, but understand that "revenue" can be booked when the agreement is made, or when the check is received, or somewhere in between. Long term contracts can be booked all at once, or a little at a time.

Accounting rules are open to interpretation.

7 posted on 06/28/2002 3:39:15 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: BlackJack
From the WSJ article ...

A new audit of Xerox Corp. found that the company improperly accelerated far more revenue during the past five years than the Securities and Exchange Commission estimated in an April settlement with the company, according to people familiar with the matter.

The figure the SEC estimated then was $3 billion for the four years from 1997 through 2000. But the audit, which also looked at 2001, has found fresh accounting problems, these people said. The total amount of improperly recorded revenue over that five-year period, they added, could be more than $6 billion.

8 posted on 06/28/2002 3:42:23 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: ex-Texan
Fine if you spell worldcom "voorldkom"
9 posted on 06/28/2002 3:48:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: snopercod
Accounting rules are open to interpretation.

Then they should be changed so everyone is playing by the same rules.

10 posted on 06/28/2002 3:50:41 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: BlackJack
Well..i see we've got our Clinton legacy folks..one pile of s*it after another.
11 posted on 06/28/2002 3:52:00 AM PDT by mo
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To: BlackJack

Arrrr! Matey! Prepare yee teh set sail with the swarthy crew of the good ship "Clintonomics". Plenty of booty teh loot from the unsuspecting sheeple! Wot deh ya mean, she's sunk to the bottom of the briney for two years nigh? Don't be botherin' me with yer whiney details and facts, ARRRRRR!"

12 posted on 06/28/2002 4:03:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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"...the world's biggest copier maker may have improperly recorded revenue of as much as $6 billion in the past five years..."

Calling Al Gore!!
Sweaty Al wants to blame corporate greed and corruption on President Bush, that's his recommended line of political attack. Somebody slap that sweathog and remind him that the past 5 years indicts Bill Clinton, not President Bush.

13 posted on 06/28/2002 4:05:15 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: BlackJack
No, they were copying their money.
14 posted on 06/28/2002 4:05:25 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: snopercod
may have improperly recorded revenue of as much as $6 billion in the past five years. - I think you will later find that actually true.

And compares to the $3.8 Billion Worldcom fraud over one and a quarter years.

Having closely seen the Xerox CEO try to weasel her way out of a self-admitted accounting complexity nightmare there, I would say the general corporate anal exam now going on country-wide has not reached the level of exageration yet that you imply has happened. Its not over yet and these and we will see just how misstated is the Xerox settlement. I do not think this is just a made-up story to satisfy al Qaeda.

What I find truly astounding, especially to be noted on this forum, is the very liberal nature of the companies now being destroyed by accounting problems. While one cannot pin all this directly on Clinton (or al Qaeda) many of these companies were politically entangled with Clinton in one way or another.

It is time to dig up the names of all the companies that wnet on trade missions. Also with regard to the telecoms and energies - Global Crossing, Enron, Worldcom, etc. - these giants had much regulatory interaction with the Federal Govt. and were required to play intensive 'games' to succeed.

Xerox has its own govt entaglements (sometime I'll have to explaing the old way currency was tagged to prevent fraud) but also has its own culture established over many years to enable this problem.

15 posted on 06/28/2002 4:43:17 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: snopercod
BTW Forbes is running with this story too and I think they would avoid merely being a relay for al Qaeda even if Reuters is the source. They do not want to look foolish later.
16 posted on 06/28/2002 4:47:54 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: ex-Texan; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; mancini; Crazymonarch; ...
Can corporate heads of separate companies independently determine how to con the consumer, shareholder and system, all in the same manner at the same time?  Unlikely.  Because Enron, Global Crossing, WorldCom, Xerox and the others are all being exposed for bad accounting practices, it looks like someone has instructed them all to pull the money out and let the system crash.  Now who might that be?
17 posted on 06/28/2002 5:06:31 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: BlackJack
My roommate from college works for Xerox in Rochestor NY. Time to send him and email and see he finally wants to move down here to NC.
18 posted on 06/28/2002 5:11:52 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: flamefront
Trade missions? Start here.
19 posted on 06/28/2002 5:14:14 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: CDHart
I think Rush hit on a strong reason for part of the problems. When Clinton limited CEO salary to $1 Million (for business expense purposes) it opened a whole can of worms for other methods of compensating CEOs and to make those methods pay off, shady practices had to be employed.

And I still stand by my refusal to call for new accounting standards and practices UNLESS congress, and all arms of the Imperial Federal Government (IFG) must also adhere to them.

These companies accounting looks pristine compared to the IFGs.

20 posted on 06/28/2002 5:14:55 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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