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The Nation Will Benefit From the Courts Decision
6/26/2002 | MosesKnows

Posted on 06/26/2002 4:14:12 PM PDT by MosesKnows

Why do I feel the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have done the First Amendment and the Nation a favor?

The decision taken by the 9th United States Circuit Court of Appeals will cause discussions of the First Amendment that heretofore have not been available to the public. I see this as a very positive event. The education of the masses to the purpose and history of the cherished First Amendment will be the final result of this decision.

Even citizens who are not familiar with the First Amendment will be exposed to its meaning and all the topics related to this decision will be aired in public. Several examples of these related topics are:

Separation of church and state. Where did that expression come from? Is it in the Constitution? What constitutes the establishment of a state religion?
Judges. What is the process used to select Judges? Who is involved in that process? Do Judges have the power to make law? Can Judges be removed?
What is Constitutional? Did the Constitution grant the government the specific enumerated power to involve the Federal government in the public school system? Is the Department of Education Constitutional?
What did the unratified Preamble to the Bill of Rights state? Why was it not ratified?
What is a right? Where did our rights come from? Who protects our right?
What else is unconstitutional? This could be the most valuable of all lessons learned.

Discussions of these questions and more will be forthcoming in the very near future. And in my opinion the discussions will be to the benefit of the entire nation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: pledgecircuitcourt
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1 posted on 06/26/2002 4:14:12 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
Rotsa ruck. My bet is it'll be two troops of Howler monkeys defending their territories.
2 posted on 06/26/2002 4:16:57 PM PDT by Grut
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To: MosesKnows
I can agree with this.

And the more the public knows, the more they will despise this 9th circuit courts opinion.

And it will mobilize Republicans this November, too.

3 posted on 06/26/2002 4:17:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: MosesKnows
This will give Americans a tangible result to the Senate Judiciary Committee's "making ideology an issue" when rejecting or stalling Bush's judicial picks.

Hopefully, it will be harder for Schumer and Leahy to block Bush's appointments on the grounds of Conservatives being out of the mainstream when Liberals are making asinine rulings like today's.

-PJ

4 posted on 06/26/2002 4:22:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: MosesKnows
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

I don't see the twisted logic that dictates a teacher in a local school reciting the pledge is somehow congress making a law respecting an establishment of religion.

Congress didn't make any law establishing any religion. The whacked out court is prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

This kind distorted reading of the very plain and simple text contained in our founding documents needs to be shouted down, or beaten down .... whichever works best. It just needs to stop.

5 posted on 06/26/2002 4:24:25 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: MosesKnows
If the people haven't noticed by now then this ruling isn't really going to do anything.

We have a whole generation that belongs on Jay Leno's "Jay Walking" segment. As long as the people have bread and circuses they are alright.
6 posted on 06/26/2002 4:25:46 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: MosesKnows
You are probably right. I eagerly wait to see if the modern American emotion based Christian cares. Another item for your list is the leftist delay on Bush's judges appointments. They are self destructing while GOD is answering prayers.
7 posted on 06/26/2002 4:28:57 PM PDT by worldviewer tom
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To: MosesKnows
I fear that too few Americans will analyze these profound questions. As usual, the reactions will be knee-jerk and the issue will fade.

The danger I see in this decision, aside from the constitutional and religious implications, is one of incrementally dismantling traditions and foundations that distinctly characterizes what being an "American" is. It is just one more step towards a "global", "I'm a citizen of the world" mentality that dilutes or diminishes the distinctive American culture. Perhaps in a very small way, but the effect is just the same.

8 posted on 06/26/2002 4:29:25 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: AAABEST
This kind distorted reading of the very plain and simple text contained in our founding documents needs to be shouted down

Thomas Jefferson, by no means an imprecise thinker, was well aware of this consideration. In commenting upon how the Constitution should properly be read, he said: "On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning can be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one which was passed.”

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9 posted on 06/26/2002 4:29:35 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE DISMISSED!!CLICK
10 posted on 06/26/2002 4:30:18 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: MosesKnows
I have no problems with the 9th Circuit's ruling which is in keep with modern thinking of Church-State separation.

In the 1950's Ike saw that the phrase was added. Perhaps in an era of anti-Communist paranoia there was a civic "need" for such a pledge and, perhaps, even the phrase to help distinguish America from the atheistic Communist statism. This is another relic of the Cold War.

It's not surprising persons from that area, including W, are having fits over this common sense ruling as it puts out-dated precepts in which they were indoctrinated on their ear.

Contrast this with the henious blight of Roe vs. Wade wherein we are a nation of dual legalistic thinking. One the one-hand a woman cannot be "forced to procreate", that is, carry to term a child wherein she (nearly always) consciously consented to engage in the sexual act which resulted in conception. On-the-other-hand, the sperm donor not only MAY be forced to procreate, his livelihood is held captive by the woman with the force of the state itself as enforcer. And no where does anyone care to think about the vicious horror of beginning a life only to destroy it, helpless and defenseless. Sometimes America makes me want to vomit.

11 posted on 06/26/2002 4:31:41 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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"Judges. What is the process used to select Judges? Who is involved in that process? Do Judges have the power to make law? Can Judges be removed?"

Before I explain the two ways to become a judge some ground rules must be established:
A) All politicians are scum.
B) All lawyers are scum.
C) Most judges were lawyers before taking the bench.

Having established that, there are two ways to become a judge:
1) By appointment by the POTUS or Gov. of your state. This makes a person guilty of being a politician by association(refer to rule A but don't forget B & C).
2)Being elected to the office. Making you an outright politician(Refer to rule A again without forgetting B & C).

12 posted on 06/26/2002 4:31:54 PM PDT by 100%FEDUP
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To: Jagdgewehr
the reactions will be knee-jerk and the issue will fade.

Agreed. Unless the TV media keeps talking it up, it will be a dead issue by tomorrow.

13 posted on 06/26/2002 4:32:34 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Grut
My bet is it'll be two troops of Howler monkeys defending their territories.

DAMN! It's not often you see the first post of a thread sum it up all so accurately! My hat is off to you.

14 posted on 06/26/2002 4:33:03 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: MosesKnows
Maybe. All I know is that the United States needs to decide whether it wants and deserves to survive or not. I originally thought that the September 11 attacks were that moment of moral clarity, that decision point, but I was clearly wrong. So, maybe this is it, or maybe it's the next big terrorist attack, or maybe something truly horrendous 5 or 10 years from now.

But, I'm so depressed that I'm not sure I care anymore.
15 posted on 06/26/2002 4:33:05 PM PDT by walden
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To: MosesKnows
I haven't read the decision yet but the 9th Circuit is probably right. How can you make some kid say "Under God" in public school with a straight face? Ask yourself how you would feel if the pledge ran:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to all various rainbow of colors of people who make it up, as freed by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, and to all our trees and the Sierra Club which protects them, indivisible, with our liberty and justice protected by various Federal agencies.
16 posted on 06/26/2002 4:34:56 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: Jagdgewehr
You need to go back to 1954 and you will find the same arguments then. The reasoning then was since there were school prayers then adding 'Under God' would not be a problem...and of course, "In God We Trust" was rolled out to defend it's inclusion.

Many schools, at least in the cities allowed children to use it or not...I've never gotten used to it and as traditions go, it is shy a few years.

18 posted on 06/26/2002 4:39:02 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: RightWhale
Unless the TV media keeps talking it up, it will be a dead issue by tomorrow

Britt Hume was hilarious. He ended the Fox News tonight by saying, "Stay tuned to Fox News, fair and balanced," and then added with a smile, "and UNDER GOD."

19 posted on 06/26/2002 4:39:35 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: walden
I agree, that this will serve as a wake up call for many.
If nothing else this will rally a divided Conservative camp around one issue most of us can agree on.
The best part is that school is out for summer and the impact of this ruling will not be felt until September.
Two months before the elections
20 posted on 06/26/2002 4:39:57 PM PDT by fortress
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