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Mass grave discovered in Afghanistan
Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 19 June 02 | Jonathan Harley

Posted on 06/26/2002 2:23:31 PM PDT by Glutton

Human rights groups are urging that mass gravesites in northern Afghanistan be immediately secured and investigated for evidence of possible war crimes involving United States military personnel. An Irish documentary maker has secretly filmed mass graves near the northern city of Mazar-e-sharif and interviewed witnesses who claim that container loads of prisoners were dumped in the desert. It's alleged that most suffocated in the sealed containers, but those left alive were shot on the spot. Key aspects of his claims are backed up by a detailed report from the group Physicians for Human Rights.

--------- Compere: Tony Jones Reporter: Jonathan Harley

TONY JONES: Human rights groups are urging that mass gravesites in northern Afghanistan be immediately secured and investigated for evidence of possible war crimes involving United States military personnel.

An Irish documentary maker has secretly filmed mass graves near the northern city of Mazar-e-sharif and interviewed witnesses who claim that container loads of prisoners were dumped in the desert.

It's alleged that most suffocated in the sealed containers, but those left alive were shot on the spot.

Key aspects of his claims are backed up by a detailed report from the group Physicians for Human Rights.

In a moment we'll speak to the documentary maker, and to the author of the report by Physicians for Human Rights.

But first, this report from Jonathan Harley.

JONATHAN HARLEY: This fort near the northern city of Mazar-e-sharif.

Staged for perhaps the most notorious known incident since the American-led campaign in Afghanistan began in October.

An uprising by defiant Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners was crushed under British and American guidance.

With the might of air strikes as many as 400 prisoners were killed in what's been widely described as a massacre.

At the time, the bloody battle inside the mud walls of the 19th century fortress was shrouded in confusion and secrecy.

But new material alleges that this horrific chapter was only part of a much larger and deadly story around Mazar-e-sharif, in which prisoners of war were murdered and buried en masse.

JOHN HEFFERNAN, PHYSICIANS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS: We then went out to the site and really did kind of a preliminary assessment and we were able to determine, yes, in fact there was a large area that had been recently bulldozed because the tracks were still there.

There were quite a bit of skeletal remains as well as clothing.

So we speculated that perhaps the people in this site, the bodies in this site, were the people who were unaccounted for in what is referred to as the surrender of Kunduz.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Surrounded and faced with only a fight to the death, at least 6,000 Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters surrendered in the town of Kunduz in November.

Several were taken to the fort near Mazar-e-sharif, scene of the deadly uprising.

Around 3,000 were taken further west, to be held at a fort in Sheberghan.

But at least 2,000 prisoners who were supposed to be protected under the Geneva conventions appear to be unaccounted for.

EYEWITNESS: Many of the prisoners lost their lives on the journey and at Sheberghan they offloaded the prisoners who were still alive.

But some of the Taliban were injured and others were so weak they were unconscious.

We brought them to this place.

They took the injured who were still alive and shot them over there and also over there.

JONATHAN HARLEY: The Boston-based Physicians for Human Rights believe those men may be in mass graves about 10 kilometres outside of Sheberghan.

Citing eyewitnesses and having exhumed 15 bodies the human rights watchdog is urging an international inquiry and fencing off the area immediately.

JONATHON HEFFERNAN: With we need to protect that site and carry out a more no row investigation so the entire site can be examined.

What I said is that the numbers of people that are unaccounted for from the surrender of Kunduz, between 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, the numbers vary, but clearly quite a few people.

JONATHAN HARLEY: How they die asked the subject of a yet to be released documentary by Irish film-maker Jamie Doran.

His crew went secretly into the desert outside of Sheberghan where they were shown what appears to be a mass grave site.

Clothing and bodies are seen in shallow graves.

The site was identified by two local truck drivers.

The documentary alleges as many as 3,000 Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners were buried outside Sheberghan under the gaze of American troops.

JOURNALIST: When you brought them here were any American soldiers around?

EYEWITNESS: Yes, there were.

JOURNALIST: Here?

EYEWITNESS: Yes. Here. Maybe 30 to 40.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Citing testimony by commercial drivers and Northern Alliance soldiers including at least one senior officer, the documentary alleges a range of atrocities.

Among them that Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners were crammed into cargo containers for their journey from Kunduz, that with up to 300 men per container, many suffocated, and that others were shot dead while in the containers, albeit as a gruesome attempt to give them some air.

NORTHERN ALLIANCE SOLDIER: My commanders ordered me to shoot the containers to make holes for ventilation.

Because of that some of the prisoners were killed.

JONATHAN HARLEY: And those prisoners who made it to Sheberghan fort may have been little better off.

The documentary alleges atrocities by American personnel as they interrogated prisoners.

EYEWITNESS: They cut their legs, I was a witness.

They cut their tongues and cut their hair and beards.

I was watching.

JONATHAN HARLEY: His testimony is yet to be verified.

For their safety, none of the witnesses, civilian or Northern Alliance, can be identified.

Mazar-e-sharif is under the notoriously ruthless command of Uzbek warlord, General Rashid Dostum.

Any investigation alleged atrocities and unmarked graves would inevitably question the conduct of men under his command.

It would also raise serious questions about the role of American personnel in the area.

The Pentagon says there's no evidence of any knowledge, presence or participation of US service members.

The strength of eyewitness accounts is yet to be tested, as is the nature of unmarked graves.

Human rights advocates say the only way to do that is by a full international inquiry and immediately before anyone gets rid of the evidence.

Jonathan Harley, Lateline.

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Video Jonathan Harley reports an Irish documentary maker has secretly filmed mass graves near the northern city of Mazar-e-sharif. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/av/2002/06/20020619ll_afghanistan_video.ram

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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; genocide; massacre; propaganda; psyops
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I heard tales of bodies buried in Panama after "Just Cause," which surprised me. I had took part in that, and knew this to be extremely unlikely. And as I have yet to hear tales of their discovery, I suspect that at best the tin foil crowd had been hallucinating again, or at worst, the enemies of this country were just doing the sort of undermining they do best to get at us.

I highly doubt this story - to say the least - but I thought I would share it with you.

1 posted on 06/26/2002 2:23:31 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Glutton
I don't believe it. Period.
2 posted on 06/26/2002 2:25:03 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Glutton
Yeah... whatever.
3 posted on 06/26/2002 2:25:39 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Glutton
Right. With all of the left-wing NGOs out there waiting to pounce on something like this our military is dumb enough to comply. Frame up, anyone?
4 posted on 06/26/2002 2:26:15 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Glutton
I predicted this very thing, repeatedly, after the false Jenin massacre. The jihadists will lie about alleged U.S. (and Israeli) war crimes, and the leftist Eurotrash and Media Whores will lap it up. Killing military combatants is not a war crime.
5 posted on 06/26/2002 2:26:39 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Glutton
If "Physicians for (marxist) Human Rights" were to tell me that the sky is blue, I would be disinclined to believe them.

Jerks ought to move to Cuba, or France, or some other Socialist Workers' Paradise.

:) ttt

6 posted on 06/26/2002 2:27:38 PM PDT by detsaoT
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To: Glutton
I figured this kind of garbage was bound to start sooner or later. Personally I wouldn't believe it either.
7 posted on 06/26/2002 2:29:18 PM PDT by KY Dittohead
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To: Glutton
I will put this under "Jenin Massacre" in the cylindrical file cabinet with the plastic lining underneath my desk. It is the left who lies and supported the modern day version the Nazi Party and the Waffen SS in Afghanistan. It is the right who gave them freedom to take off their burka, listen to music, dance in the streets, and fly kites.
8 posted on 06/26/2002 2:29:26 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: tomahawk
There is indeed a predictable aspect to this sort of slander, isn't there?

If we were such murderous bullies, I am sure the usual suspects you mention would have been screaming louder, sooner, and more shriller then they are now.

Thanks for your observations.

9 posted on 06/26/2002 2:32:00 PM PDT by Glutton
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NORTHERN ALLIANCE SOLDIER: My commanders ordered me to shoot the containers to make holes for ventilation.

Because of that some of the prisoners were killed.

He he he, careful what you ask for from those Afghanis.

This story has gone around the block many times. What about all the Taliban inspired massacres in Mazar, Herat and various other Afghani towns.
10 posted on 06/26/2002 2:32:22 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Glutton
So, who gives a fuk?
12 posted on 06/26/2002 2:32:43 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: tomahawk
If these left wing groups can possibly manufacture or find anything, they will carge Bush, US Military, et. al.. Gee the ICC is a wonder. With 60 nations adopting, here it comes. The best propaganda vehicle in many years.
13 posted on 06/26/2002 2:32:45 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: APBaer
Indeed. What bothers me is too many of the bad ones are still wasting oxygen over there.
14 posted on 06/26/2002 2:34:14 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Clara Lou
Me either, but I wish it were true. They should have been slaughtered, because that's what we paid our military to do, damnit. All this crap about taliban prisoners having any human rights is horsesh--. They're not human, and therfore not entitled to any rights.
15 posted on 06/26/2002 2:34:43 PM PDT by Demosthenes
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To: Glutton
So what. I don't have a problem with this.
16 posted on 06/26/2002 2:35:06 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Demosthenes
Killing them in battle is completely different from sheer butchery. I do not believe that our men engaged in butchery.
17 posted on 06/26/2002 2:38:55 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Glutton
sarcasm/on....It hard to interogate dead prisoners...sarcasm/off
18 posted on 06/26/2002 2:41:38 PM PDT by Khurkris
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To: Glutton
"So we speculated that perhaps the people in this site, the bodies in this site, were the people who were unaccounted for in what is referred to as the surrender of Kunduz."

Why not speculate they were war dead from the battle of Mazar?

19 posted on 06/26/2002 2:47:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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I'm a little unclear about this.
The reporter doesn't seem to know that the Taliban have killed countless Afghans. This is more than likely a mass grave of Afghans who did not support the Taliban. Anyone agree?
20 posted on 06/26/2002 2:52:04 PM PDT by kever
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