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RAT ATTACK [Or: The Left is self-destructing as we speak...]
a Dem site that unintentionally made the Right look great | June 25, 2002 | various

Posted on 06/25/2002 3:39:12 PM PDT by summer

RAT ATTACK [Or: The Left is self-destructing as we speak...]

Note to FR, from summer:

I myself have never used the word "RAT" before to describe a Democrat, but today I find there is no other word appropriate to describe the kind of animalistic attack that has now exploded on the left - all because the GOP and Nader got together not long ago.

GOP Grover Norquist's weekly meeting -- attended recently by Nader -- was the spark that lit the flame in this firery exchange below, between a certain Dem web site and Nader's campaign manager (who affirmed she was speaking with Nader's approval).

From where I stand as an independent, this heightened level of vicious in-fighting on the left probably caused them to lose even more voters today, as who wouldn't be disgusted with this non-stop fighting. The Dem Party looks to me like it's going down faster than the Titanic…

For educational purposes only (and, I guess for the entertainment of some), excerpts from this RAT ATTACK follow. First, an open letter from the Dems was posted on a Dem web site to Nader. Then, Nader's campaign manager responded -- and affirmed the response was approved by Nader. Again, what follows is only an excerpt:

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Open Letter to Nader Posted on a Dem Web Site Complaining About Nader at GOP Meeting

Dear Ralph [Nader],

A number of your supporters have written …. asking why we have criticized you so sharply since 2000, and especially in connection with your recent appearance at Grover Norquist's Wednesday Morning Group.

It occurs to us that inquiries should really be directed to you.

In soliciting an invitation to Norquist's group, you knew exactly whom you were getting involved with, didn't you? Not a harmless assembly of conservatives or Republicans, as some of your supporters seem to think, but the national nerve-center of the hard-right wing advocacy groups and political machinery.

The apex of coordinating the continuing right-wing attacks on economic justice, civil rights, freedom of choice, separation of church and state, gun safety, environmental protection, you name it.

And when you were there, you ingratiated yourself, seeking their support, noting that much of what they said was "good" and much of the rest at least "arguable," taking in their cheers and applause over your vital aid to them in the 2000 election, making fun of liberals as conspiracy freaks, winning kudos from Phyllis Schlafly and Grover himself.



Not all of your supporters seem aware of exactly who is involved in Norquist's Wednesday Group. So here's a partial list of the core members, which includes either leaders or representatives of:

n The Christian Coalition
n The National Rifle Association
n The Free Congress Foundation
n The Eagle Forum
n Tom DeLay's office
-- The Republican National Committee

as well as representatives of the right-wing media, including (when they are in D.C.) the likes of John Fund and David Horowitz.

Now, Ralph, we don't see you out there these days soliciting invitations to meetings for and seeking the support of People for the American Way, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Alliance for Justice, the National Abortion and Reproduction Rights Action League, the Sierra Club, and similar liberal and progressive groups.

As far as you're concerned, it seems, YOU are …the one man who…, in his passion to destroy the Democratic Party, will gladly keep the right-wing Republicans in power.

For you, it makes sense to run spoiler Green candidates against progressive liberal Democrats like Paul Wellstone, to insure their defeat so that the G.O.P. can retake the Senate in 2002.

For you, it makes sense to, in turn, give the G.O.P. the power to ram through George W. Bush's right-wing judicial nominees, consolidating the power of the Rehnquist-Scalia axis on the Supreme Court, and making the rest of the federal judiciary even more of a hotbed of right-wing activism than it is now.

For you, it makes sense to keep Tom DeLay in charge of the House of Representatives.

Let's face it, Ralph. You're so interested in destroying liberals that you'll meet with anyone and everyone who will aid that cause - including the Wednesday Morning Group.


Isn't that right? Or what have we missed?

Not just to speak when invited - you will solicit invitations to the right-wing inner counsels.

To what end, Ralph? …..

Ralph Nader has emerged as an agent of the right-wing Republican Party.

Everything he says or does has the direct practical effect of making the right-wing Republicans stronger, in the long run as well as the short run.


Having received 2% of the vote from the American people - one-tenth of what the dime-store demagogue Ross Perot received in 1992 - he tries to elect as many extremist Republicans to office as possible ….

He uses whatever underhanded, anti-democratic tactics he can in order to do so.

He will run spoilers in close elections, like in Minnesota.

He backs term-limits, a quick and dirty way to deprive Americans of their right to vote for a candidate of their choice and improve prospects for the Greens and worsen the prospects for veteran Democrats.

He hopes and intends to inflict so much pain on the country that voters will have no choice but to acknowledge his greatness or perish.

Ralph cloaks these efforts and facts by appealing to and manipulating people's idealism, their hopes for a better America and a better world, all the while snuggling up to the most reactionary and vicious forces in our political life.

The [gun supporters, mentioned in derogatory terms…]

The [pro-life supporters, mentioned in derogatory terms…]

[etc., as the list continues in derogatory terms] ….



Ralph, we believe that you owe your supporters and admirers, many of whom read and support [this Dem web site] explanations for your appearance at the Wednesday Morning Group, for your alliances, past and present, with Grover Norquist, and for your larger efforts that redound to the benefit of the right-wing Republican Party.

We hope you will take the opportunity provided by this Open Letter to offer those explanations.

Our columns are, as ever, open to you.....[end]

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Posted later, on the same Dem web site:

Ralph Nader's 2000 Campaign Manager has responded on his behalf ….

Her response…..

From: Theresa Amato
To: [Dem site]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:31 PM
Subject: Response to Your Open Letter to Ralph Nader


Dear [Dem site] ,

….. Your supporters are rightly questioning your motives for assailing Ralph Nader since 2000, especially for presenting his views at Grover Norquist's right wing, Wednesday morning ritual. I am taking this opportunity to respond on Ralph's behalf …

The writer(s) of your speculative, unsubstantiated rants against Ralph make clear that their sources for the Nader/Norquist meeting are second hand. Unlike them, I was at the Norquist meeting and can tell you exactly what happened. First, the invitation. If you will recall, a few months ago, Bob Borosage pointed out in the American Prospect that the right wing has a "Mighty Wurlitzer" of disciplined propaganda. Much of it is generated by Norquist's Wednesday meetings. Shortly after that article, Ralph and I bumped into Norquist at a media outlet and I sought an invitation - to see first hand how the "Mighty Wurlitzer" works, especially because we are building a progressive forum on the first Thursday of every month. Why not get an inside view on the dynamics of the Wurlitzer? One can seek to understand an adversary without being a subscriber. And the right wing regime is worth understanding for it has turned out - successfully -- a spew of right wing politicians, right wing legislation and right wing propaganda (that the Democrats have notably failed to stop or counteract, despite their control of the presidency and one or both houses of the Congress). As Ralph put it directly to those in attendance, Norquist's meetings are just "like a cold-blooded, ideological marine barracks."

More importantly though, why shouldn't Ralph take the opportunity …Is it Ralph's fault - or to his credit -- that Phyllis Schlafly saw the light about the inconsistency of the right wing in supporting corporatists? ….

…..

Your suggestion that Ralph doesn't solicit invitations to meetings with liberal and progressive groups and that this is indicative of some desire to keep right wingers in power is total nonsense….

To imply that there is some taint or conspiracy by attending a meeting that members of the press were invited to cover - and on the record at Ralph's insistence -- is absolute silliness. Ralph did indeed suggest to Norquist's buddies that there are common areas to work on: like getting members of Congress to put their voting records on line, like getting government contracts on line - because sunshine is the best disinfectant for politicians of any stripe and electronic access to this information is key. Should people be kept in the dark and wait another century for those in power to put their voting record on-line voluntarily?…. Should people who go to these meetings and have the courage to stand up for their very different beliefs be smeared by your Democratic Party propaganda machine? …This neo-Stalinistic approach as to who fits into your liberal progressive tent is breathtaking. Maybe it is you who needs a history (as well as an accuracy)lesson.

Finally, your attempt to label Ralph - who has worked for four decades on behalf of citizens -- as appealing to and manipulating people's idealism is pretty screwy coming from spin doctors like yourselves. Your fury at Greens and others who are participating in power without your permission, ….show that you are just an unabashed front for the Democratic Party….. Your shilling for the Democratic Party uber alles is so transparent it is laughable. Desperation indeed....



Theresa Amato

(P.S. I was the campaign manager for Nader 2000. And you can publish this because I do not hide…)



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From: [Dem site]
To: Theresa Amato
Date: Saturday, June 22

May we have confirmation from Ralph that he endorses the contents of this letter?

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From: Theresa Amato
To: [Dem site]
Date: Saturday, June 22

Yes.


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Dem Response to Nader/and Nader's campaign manager:

....There is only one immediately pertinent question left, now that we've gotten your attention, Ralph.

Will Ralph Nader unequivocally and publicly oppose the efforts of the Green Party or any other of his supporters to run candidates against progressive Democrats in close races this fall, beginning with the Senate race in Minnesota? Or will Nader try to throw the election to the Republicans as he did in 2000?


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KEYWORDS: dems; gopgrovernorquist; nader; politics
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To: Sabertooth
I'm glad that I finished my OJ before I read your reply to my question.

My question, "If these rats call Norquist a right wing whacko, what would they call some of us? :)

Saber's reply, "Racists, fascists, militia wackos, sexists, homophobes... the usual.

Oh, also (gasp!) "Christians."

Saber, you are right on today! Of course you know what that means you really are in the eyes of the lefties.

41 posted on 06/25/2002 4:23:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't think some of them see it that way, but I see now why it looks that way.
42 posted on 06/25/2002 4:24:21 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
And, I did read THAT book!

In the sequel, the donkeys take over.




43 posted on 06/25/2002 4:24:34 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: summer
I myself have never used the word "RAT" before to describe a Democrat, but today I find there is no other word .. .

You've come a long way baby.

Does your mother know the crowd you are hanging out with ?

44 posted on 06/25/2002 4:24:46 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: gitmo
I think I understand what you meant now!

I think this makes perfect sense:

The only people you should ever try to convert to your philosophies are those who agree with you.


:)
45 posted on 06/25/2002 4:25:16 PM PDT by summer
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To: LarryLied
I have to say I laugh a lot with some people here! LOL... And, I do mean with them. Not at them.

The left seems so down, and so depressing. What happened to laughter and joy? Who can really live without THAT???
46 posted on 06/25/2002 4:26:28 PM PDT by summer
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To: Grampa Dave
Of course you know what that means you really are in the eyes of the lefties.

David Duke? Hitler's love child?

Wait... the Taliban!




47 posted on 06/25/2002 4:26:54 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Uh-oh!
48 posted on 06/25/2002 4:27:04 PM PDT by summer
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To: LarryLied; All
In fact, I have to go and hang out right now somewhere! See you, and thanks for the laughs here! :)
49 posted on 06/25/2002 4:28:09 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer; Sabertooth
Of course some really rotten mean conservatives might just try to siphon votes from Gray Davis to the Green Commie Candidate by using something like this in our governor race here in Kali:

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Shame on them if they put a card table in front of a Tofu store and handed out hundreds of these while wearing Birkenstocks and an old Tie Dye T Shirt. Only evil vile conservatives would do this.

50 posted on 06/25/2002 4:30:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: LarryLied
BTW, do you think they are just on the rag because they are out of power? Because if that's the case, I honesty think they are going to be very grumpy for a VERY long time...
51 posted on 06/25/2002 4:31:11 PM PDT by summer
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To: Grampa Dave
LOL.......
52 posted on 06/25/2002 4:31:43 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
You're very welcome.

Have you ever sat and watched the leftists carefully? Not so much to hear what they say, but to watch their body language. Most of them read like an open book. I've seen the postures and gestures that signify lying, evading, fear, loathing, disdain, fury, hatred. Sometimes all these will show in one individual in the course of a rant, harangue, or protest.

I once watched a former-churchgoer-turned-atheism-activist give a lecture as a rebuttal to "life after death" proponents. The thing that struck me most wasn't her speech or manner: it was what I saw in her eyes. I saw straight in, as it were, to a bottomless terror. This woman's atheism was driven by a deep fear! Of what? That she was wrong? That life DOES go on eternally? Why else was she so frightened? Of course her voice was most strident and her views most obvious. But there underneath, was her inner self crying out.

53 posted on 06/25/2002 4:35:07 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: summer
Don't be too hard on the DUmmies. I go there at least twice a day for the laughs. If they implode, it will mean losing a great source of mirth.
54 posted on 06/25/2002 4:35:16 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Sabertooth
Naah, the real lefties love the Talibaner thugs and the al Qaeda thugs. So they would never call you or I a Talibaner or al Qaeda.

They would call me a Christian! Hmmm! They would be correct for once.
55 posted on 06/25/2002 4:35:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: PJ-Comix
I hope that you take complete showers and appropriate antibiotics after going to the DU site before coming here!
56 posted on 06/25/2002 4:37:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: summer
They get even crazier when they don't have power.

Above I meant, does your mom knows you are hanging out with right wing extremists? Calling Democrats RATS...really now.

57 posted on 06/25/2002 4:37:53 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Grampa Dave
Hmm, I remember that big discussion that was on one of the Calgov2002 threads.

I think it was in the same time frame when CO was promoting the Dump Truck size Dump Davis bumper stickers.

58 posted on 06/25/2002 4:39:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Actually this came out later. Someone posted that Davis was losing 3 to 5 % of his voters to the Green Candidate. I posted, that I would contribute again to the Green Party like in 2000. Any vote for the Green Party is a vote the rates don't get. The phoney conservatives went bonkers and the rest of us liked it. NIMC had been working on this:

So I post it as an example of what should not be done.:)

59 posted on 06/25/2002 4:46:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: summer
While some might not like Norquist, I have to admit he is one very cagey operator. This guy has just sown some SERIOUS seeds of discord among our enemies, and as they try to prove their bonafides among the leftists, we move in and clean up in the center big time.

This is a brilliant stroke on Norquist's part. I, for one, applaud him. The more time and effort the left spends fighting each other, the less time and effort they will spend - or have available - to attack our guys.
60 posted on 06/25/2002 4:48:20 PM PDT by hchutch
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