Sanchez Banned from Home Church

FoxNews.com ^ | June 25, 2002 | Unknown

[gubamyster]

AUSTIN

[caisson71]

I hope this recent declaration by Bishop Carmody is the beginning of the results of the church's recent cleansing. There's more scrubbing to do but maybe we're on the right path. Catholic politicians can't have it both ways. I hope they will be called to task each time they submit their faith to political expediency.

[AppyPappy]

"He is not arguing for the morality of abortion," Shirley said. "He is arguing for what is the best political action to take at this point. I don't know that every Catholic, including the hierarchy, would necessarily say now is the time to push for a law outlawing all abortion."

"He is not arguing for the morality of slavery," Shirley said. "He is arguing for what is the best political action to take at this point. I don't know that every Catholic, including the hierarchy, would necessarily say now is the time to push for a law outlawing slavery."

[LiteKeeper]

I thought there was an [illegal] IRS ruling that did not allow poilitcal candidates to speak in churches - or does that only apply to Republican candidates for office? I forget.</sarcasm>

[AlGone2001]

Excellent! Good start. Next they can do this in Massachussetts.

[ArcLight]

Now if they'll just start banning the priestly pervs, we'll be getting somewhere...

[anymouse]

For the Texas ping list.

[livius]

Good news! Bishops with guts! Please ping other interested folk.

[monkeywrench]

""But I think the only thing that is really important to me is how I think about abortion..."

"I think...", "...important to ME", "...is how I think"

He goes on to claim he considers himself a devout Catholic because he goes to Mass a couple times a week. Uh, ok. Is the bar that low to Catholics? (Make that--"devout Catholics")Somehow, I don't think so.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

I consider myself a devout Catholic.

Al Gore considered Slick Willie to be one of the greatest Presidents in the history of the Republic, so I guess that settles it.

[B Knotts]

FYI BUMP

[FITZ]

Historically, however, Texas Hispanics have overwhelmingly supported Democratic candidates, almost all of whom have favored abortion rights.

I think they still will and there's no shortage of abortion clinics or abortions in hispanic border counties. Some Hispanics are very pro-life as are some Anglos but the majority don't seem to be.

[HiTech RedNeck]

How does the Catholic church draw a line between what evils it will crack down on a politician about, and what evils it won't? Abortion is a worthy enough cause, but will it trivialize its cause by sanctioning politicians who do not try to legally ban any and all acts that the Catholics class as mortal sins? Let's see, for example, how do we ban pride and envy?

[ArrogantBustard]

You should direct that question toward some Catholics; AP is not one. One possible answer is that certain acts incur what is popularly known as 'automatic excommunication'; these are few in number and are all particularly egregious. Abortion (performing, procuring, or assisting in the performing or procuring thereof) is one. By publicly promoting a particularly heinous sin, the pro-abortion 'catholic' politician is giving grave public scandal. While one might want to tie a millstone around his neck and toss him in a lake actually doing that is likely to be counterproductive. Denying the pro-abortion politician a "catholic" soap-box may be the next-best thing. This is the responsibility of the Bishop of the diocese in which the politician resides. As has lately been observed, some Bishops have more courage than others. Indeed, some are fearless firebrands, some are spineless, gutless wimps, most are somewhere in the mushy middle. I think all Christians of good will should be pleased if more Catholic Bishops fell into the 'fearless firebrand' category.

AB

[gubamyster]

Excellent! Good start. Next they can do this in Massachussetts.

After Massachusetts they can move on to California. They can start with this upcoming election for Governor where Dem. Gray Davis is a Catholic who supports “the right to choose.” I have written a couple of letters to the Orange County Diocese inquiring why they do not instruct their priest, without endorsing a candidate, to remind parishioners of their moral obligation to support candidates who oppose abortion. I received no response, but I think I will forward this article to them w/ a nice little message.

[livius]

Planned Parenthood and some very famous foundations (Ford, Rockefeller and Packard) have invested lots and lots of money in the attempt to pursuade Hispanics to accept abortion, and unfortunately, they've had a great deal of success. Much of this is because few bishops/priests stand up and tell their faithful not to listen to the PP lies, and part of it, I suspect, is because many of them want to be "Americanized" and perceive acceptance of abortion as part of this.

PP, Catholics for Free Choice and the above named foundations have also funded innumberable programs in Latin American countries themselves. Hispanics have long been in the sights of these well-financed groups.

[Siobhan]

p i n g

[patent]

He goes on to claim he considers himself a devout Catholic because he goes to Mass a couple times a week. Uh, ok. Is the bar that low to Catholics? (Make that--"devout Catholics")Somehow, I don't think so.

Media speak. Anytime the media refers to someone as a devout Catholic, or quotes someone claiming to be a devout Catholic, you are free to assume the person is a liberal. Most of the time, they are a dissenting Catholic more than a devout Catholic.

patent  +AMDG

[patent]

How does the Catholic church draw a line between what evils it will crack down on a politician about, and what evils it won't?

It is always a prudential judgment. Here, this isn’t so much the Catholic Church acting as one of its Bishops acting within the scope of his prudential authority.

Abortion is a worthy enough cause, but will it trivialize its cause by sanctioning politicians who do not try to legally ban any and all acts that the Catholics class as mortal sins? Let's see, for example, how do we ban pride and envy?

Do you consider abortion to be on par with an act of pride? Perhaps this is bias because I am an incredibly proud person myself, but I like to think the sin of pride pails beside murdering a baby.

patent  +AMDG