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Guns...For the Children
Sierra Times ^ | June 20, 2002 | Lewis J. Goldberg

Posted on 06/23/2002 3:46:46 PM PDT by tarawa

Guns...For the Children By: Lewis J. Goldberg Published 06. 20. 02 at 20:37 Sierra Time

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

Roots

The Second Amendment sealed into the law of the land the fact that American society is a society that not only tolerates guns, but was built upon their ownership. The Colonials who fought in the Revolution did not run to the local armory to get an 'issue' weapon, they reached in their closets. Apparently this lesson is not lost on the advocates of 'more gun laws,' who do not want another revolution.

At the onset of the Revolution, citizen militia outnumbered Colonial 'Regulars' more than two to one, and of the 200,000-plus individuals that fought in the War, more than half were simply men grabbing their rifle and heading out the door.* The men who crafted the Bill of Rights understood and lived with these simple facts, and they included a codified, permanent acknowledgement of the right Thomas Jefferson articulated in the Declaration of Independence to "...alter or to abolish it [the existing government,] and to institute new Government..." And since 'government' is power, the only way to overcome power is with more power.

During Revolutionary times, it should be noted that while 'quality' may have varied, the citizen militia possessed the same design of firearm that the Redcoats had. Were the Colonials armed with swords, the British would have shot them to pieces. So easy it is to gaze wistfully at picture books depicting scenes of our own glorious revolution, and to be thankful for the sacrifice those brave men made, but likewise so willing to deny the living the same tools of honour taken for granted by the first Americans.

The 'Kill Me' Generation

Today's 'philosophical elite,' which is to say everyone with a paid voice, printed or recorded, from the media to the halls of Congress, is doing their level-best to drive the public into the suicide of disarmament. The fact that such nonsense sells is testimony to Santayana's maxim on the fate of men to relive history when it is ignored. The sheer suicide of 'weapon-free' societies is well documented, but like the smoker who reads the warning as he lights up, the facts make no difference [not to disparage smokers, as I plan to start smoking when I retire...it's a slow death, and I'll already be old.]

We have, in fact, become the 'kill me' generation. Anyone who can read should know that violent crime in the twin 'gun-free' paradises of England and Australia has gone up since the ban. When there is a power vacuum, someone will rush in to fill the void. Governments do it as they become more repressive against a timid population, and likewise criminals find easier prey in disarmed societies [and some may beg to understand the difference between the two situations.]

Regard the following:

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

The preceding quote is from Robert A. Heinlein's 1942 book, Beyond This Horizon in which Heinlein has a brief moment of common sense [or plagiarism, since the same thought is expressed, regarding the manners of the American South, in Alexis DeTocqueville's 1835 book Democracy in America.]

...Shall Not Be Infringed

The Bush Administration recently announced, through the Department of Justice, that henceforth the Second Amendment shall be interpreted as an individual right [as opposed to a collective right of 'militias' to bear arms, as had been the case since 1939.] Since during the time the Second Amendment was drafted, the 'militia' could have been any able-bodied male between 17 and 45... hence just about everyone [and when things get really bad, women, kids, and geezers start shooting too.] In any example of period writing, the right is clearly referred to as an individual right.

This means that Conservatives are rejoicing, no?

No.

Solicitor General Ted Olson also said that the right is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Let's examine this interpretation by Mr. Olson. Breath deep and read together:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

One is left to wonder what purpose the phrase "shall not be infringed" has within the Amendment if the government [remember them?...they're the folks from whom the Second Amendment is supposed to protect the people.] Where does Mr. Olson get this concept? Expediency is the answer...the same type of expediency which the Amendment process was supposed to guard against.

"But-but-but....we can't let murderers and psychos have guns...in public...with decent folks like us! [tremble.grmfff.snort.]"

How long do you think murderers and psychos would last on the streets if all society was armed? Remember DeToqueville's observation? Here are some suggestions for Constitutional gun reform:

Assault Rifle Bans - All such restrictions should be struck from the books as unconstitutional. The public should be allowed to purchase any weapon they can afford. To be consistent, we may have to include nuclear...can't figure out how to stay true to the Constitution while banning government's ultimate weapon.

Convicted Felons - If a man cannot be trusted with a gun, they shouldn't let him out of prison.

Age Restrictions - If you can reach the counter, and Mom or Dad says its okay, then it should be legal to purchase a weapon at any age. In the old days, parents used to send their kids to the store to buy cigarettes too.

Waiting Periods - Get rid of them. The shiny new bazooka should be yours once the cash hits the counter.

Dealer's Licenses - Get rid of them too. It's an infringement, and an instrument of control.

Restraining Orders - It has become popular for judges to prohibit 'significant others' who are under a restraining order from their partners to own a firearm. This is a clear violation of the Constitution. Both partners should retain the right to own a gun, and the 'abused' one should have the good sense to kill the abuser if he comes 'a calling. Which brings us back to the title of this essay, 'Guns...for the children.' And why not? It's Constitutional, and in a society that truly had its bearings straight, the parents would be armed, and their children would be brought up respecting firearms, and even...yes, even using them; for target shooting, hunting, and even, if need be, self defense.

The Second Amendment comes from a day in which the courts of law were the courts of last resort. The court of first resort was people working with each other to iron out their differences. There was a line of common decency when once crossed, got one of the parties killed or injured. Today's 'professional pinkunderwearmen' cringe at the thought of such behaviour, preferring instead the system which provides tens, or even hundreds of thousands of jobs in the prison and court systems, lines the pockets of attorneys, and babysits millions of people, who, in a better time, would have been weeded out of the gene pool by their own foolishness.

Many liberal-minded folk would remind us that we have emerged from the supposed barbarism illustrated in the preceding passage, and that for society to be truly peaceful, we must stay the course of progressivism and fight to eliminate all weaponry, that even the criminals won't have them. But then, that still leaves the biggest of history's criminals unchecked, and such is why the Second Amendment was conceived.

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*All figures for Colonial and British troop strengths taken from the United States at War website.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; defenseofcountry; defenseoffamily; defenseofrights; rkba; selfdefense

1 posted on 06/23/2002 3:46:47 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: basil
ping
2 posted on 06/23/2002 3:47:17 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: tarawa
"subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Mr. Government sir, please define "reasonable", "unfit", and "particularly suited to criminal misuse."

My, what a big door to leave open.

3 posted on 06/23/2002 3:54:10 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: tarawa
btt
4 posted on 06/23/2002 4:00:38 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: tarawa
BIG ping and lotsa thanks. The Bushies are no friends of the Constitution when they want to leave so much latitude for their own definitions of what size and caliber we may have and WHO may own what... so much for "Conservatism" in the administration. Let's go back to the CONSTITUTION. It worked pretty well until the beginnings of the last century!
5 posted on 06/23/2002 4:13:45 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: tarawa
the Second Amendment shall be interpreted as an individual right [as opposed to a collective right of 'militias' to bear arms, as had been the case since 1939.]

AHHHH but the collective in this case and the individual are one in the same we are the militia as a people to uphold and defend the constitution is also something that we as American Citizens are sworn to uphold as well!

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. — Thomas Jefferson, 1787

6 posted on 06/23/2002 4:16:33 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: tarawa
"subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Should this 'logic' apply to the First Amendment? Free Speech, in the mouths of unfit persons, is extremely dangerous. We can start with Barbara Boxer, or the Clintons.

And that Freedom of Religion: Some unfit persons really cannot be trusted with religion. Especially some of those Arab people. And environmentalists. And animal-rights folks. And atheists.

And I know lots of people who aren't fit to determine when they should be searched or when they should have their property seized. I can tell you right now, my next-door neighbors aren't fit to tell the difference. They need to be searched today.

Oh yeah. That trial by jury stuff. We really need a mental-competency test to determine who should get one and who shouldn't.

And those pesky rights reserved for the states in the 10th amendment. How are we going to determine which states are fit and which ones aren't?

Oh yeah, never mind on that last one. We already took care of that one.

7 posted on 06/23/2002 4:19:03 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: tarawa

Guns...For the Children

I'm a firm believer in this. I've bought guns for all 4 of my kids.

8 posted on 06/23/2002 4:21:09 PM PDT by Bandolier
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To: *bang_list
fyi
9 posted on 06/23/2002 4:21:13 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: tarawa
First, I think the comment about the "kill me" generation is particularly important. I've been saying since September 12 that if five of our enemies armed only with box cutters can intimidate 40 to 90 of us, then we will all be killed or enslaved very quickly. I'm not criticizing the people on those planes. They did as they have been conditioned to act and as all of us have been conditioned to act. We are taught and conditioned to be passive; to respond to evil by trying to call 9-1-1 and waiting for "proper authorities" to act. For all I know, I would have done the same thing. However, there is no excuse for a society that has conditioned people to behave this way, and there is especially no excuse for a society that continues to hold that attitude after what happened on September 11.

When I mention this fact to people, they always respond that the victims did not know that they would die. That's true, but they should have known that at least a few would die. Muslim terrorists always kill a few victims as a part of the statement that they are making. Furthermore, why should this matter? Do people really believe that they owe it to these thugs to sit there passively and be a trophy? Are a few cuts from a box cutter really worse than being held hostage and flown to wherever the hijackers choose to take them?

(I know that I've said these things dozens of times on Free Republic and many of you are tired of hearing them. Someday, I'll put these paragraphs on my website and just link them. For now, I'll just keep repeating myself.)

Secondly, while I don't trust this administration completely on the Second Amendment, I'm willing to consider that Mr. Olson's "unfit" comment may not have been as bad as some interpret it. When the Second Amendment was ratified in the late 1700's, truly insane people were more easily locked in jails or asylums. Today, the ACLU does everything it can to keep them living on our streets and subsidized with our dollars. If by "unfit" the administration means only people who are severely mentally ill, then I agree that keeping these people from owning guns is a reasonable restriction on this individual right.

WFTR
Bill

10 posted on 06/23/2002 6:42:27 PM PDT by WFTR
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
bump
11 posted on 06/23/2002 6:49:18 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: tarawa
The problem, as I see it, is that we, as a society have been so completely dumbed down. It's always astonishing to me to hear so many people blathering about how great the world would be if there were no guns! Their premise is totally wrong.

People have been defending themselves since time immemorial. Through the centuries, humans have developed better means of self defense, and today, it seems that the best weapon for self-defense is the firearm.

This doesn't even begin to address defense against a government run amuck.History should be our teacher, and we should be paying attention to that teacher!

12 posted on 06/24/2002 8:30:28 AM PDT by basil
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