Those lumps by no means keep it from being ready for primetime, which is proven by the number of organizations that are using it in primetime right now, it just means they need to factor in some slightly higher development costs getting it to primetime because they're going to have to navigate through the lumps. But the point that has come out is that there is no evidence it is being used for prime-time, yet. Just MS press releases that don't give details. Every time you hear a detail, like above, it's negative.
'Prime-time' would mean deployed, mission-critical implementations.
And we can't find one single example of that, no matter how many folks we ask. The only developer who chimed in, Mr. Jeeves, made an exaggerated claim that turned out to be untrue.
That's what I'm asking for, specifically, here. Another fellow specifically posted a thread with that title. I've combed the net and trade publications. There are no details of any .NET success.
P.S. -- MS-only folks don't like me because I use Java, and talk about Java. This seems to "insult" them, as you've said.
And I can live with that.
Believe it or not, I have *no* problems discussing with anyone else. Look around at the other threads I participate in. We have polite, adult conversations. I criticize Oracle, Sun, Apple, and many others. We discuss it, and have no problems.
It's only the MS-only folks who react this way.
No, there isn't any evidence that you're willing to believe. Because you don't believe anything good about MS. I see a list of dozens of places using it and I dont write them off as "MS partners being paid to lie". I've worked for MS partners they didn't pay us for anything, your "payment" for being an MS partner is you get the goods first, we were working with Exchange for almost a year before the first beta came out. That's what you get for being a partner, the ability to ship your add-on or whatever at the exact same time as the MS product you're working with because you developed in parallel. This really sucked when they'd rewrite MAPI from the ground up on us, that's why we called it the bleeding edge. You even accused Jeeves of being paid to say he used .Net, until you decided he lied in his time frame.
Would you for once in your life actually listen to someone. I'm an MS only person. You insult me. Not because you use Java, how much I care what language you use and 2 bucks will buy a cup of coffee (hey I just realized that's a pun in this case). You insult me because you say stupid things and make rediculous blanket statements that have no grounding in fact, and you insult me by creative misquoting, word twisting, and outright ignoring things that violate your preconceptions. It's insulting that you pretend you want information but you turn all information away and then act hurt when everybody gets sick of your crap. It's insulting that you tell people what they think, shave time off their estimates and just generally wander through these threads like you're the latest Stroustrop and we should all kiss your butt.
Hah, then you go so far as to lie. I've been on enough Mac threads to know that those guys let NO hit on their baby go unpunished. You can't even slam System 7 (IMHO the single worst GUI OS ever, and the one that made me forever a Macbasher, I used to defend them but I'll never forgive Apple for releasing 7 and making me a liar) without them screaching that it was better than any version of Windows (which anyone that's ever printed a 40 page document under System 7 knows that chissel and tablet would be prefered). So no, i ain't buyin' that.