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A Question for Ayn Rand Fans
June 21, 2002

Posted on 06/21/2002 5:56:58 PM PDT by RJCogburn

I recently decided to participate in the National Marrow Donor Program Registry in which a blood sample is tissue typed. Should someone (that I do not know) need a donor and my tissue type be a match, I would donate marrow (or blood for peripheral stem cells).

I am a big fan of Rand's, though not an orthodox Objectivist. I wonder what she would have to say about this

Certainly she considered the altruistic philosophy - self sacrifice - to be evil. Yet she did allow for voluntary charity in cases where the recipient was deserving and the donor not harmed by the 'charitable' act.

Any thoughts?


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1 posted on 06/21/2002 5:56:58 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
L. Ron Hubbard has a cult following as well.
Maybe people would like to compare/contrast his thoughts with Rand's.
2 posted on 06/21/2002 6:03:58 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: RJCogburn
In Rand's book "the Virtue of Selfishness" she makes the point that doing something to help someone because it makes you feel good is correct human action. For any other reason it is crap.
3 posted on 06/21/2002 6:04:08 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: RJCogburn
Certainly she considered the altruistic philosophy - self sacrifice - to be evil

Ayn Rand considered FORCED "self sacrifice" to be evil. What you are doing is noble and selfless and you are doing it because you WANT to. Ayn Rand would have no problems with it, and would encourage it.

If you were *forced* to participate in a National Database, that'd be a different story entirely.

BTW: Good for you! My wife is registered as a bone marrow donor, and she's had three "close calls" where she was ALMOST a match. She does it because she genuinely wants to help people, and she has a true servants heart. Me on the other hand, am deathly afraid of needles!

4 posted on 06/21/2002 6:08:56 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: RJCogburn
Doing something you want to? Rand would be all for it.
5 posted on 06/21/2002 6:17:18 PM PDT by Dales
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To: RJCogburn
Would you donate to a Marxist whose goal in life was to enslave you? And would you be able to find out before doing so?
6 posted on 06/21/2002 6:17:55 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: RJCogburn
I believe John Galt might very well do what you are thinking of.
7 posted on 06/21/2002 6:25:06 PM PDT by Redcrosse
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To: usconservative; RJCogburn
What you are doing is noble and selfless and you are doing it because you WANT to.

No, it's noble and selfish. He derives a benefit from it, and that makes all the difference.

8 posted on 06/21/2002 6:31:33 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: usconservative
Ayn Rand considered FORCED "self sacrifice" to be evil.

Well, I think what she really objected to was the notion that self sacrifice was a good thing in itself, or that one ought to feel an obligation for such...even if voluntarily done.

9 posted on 06/21/2002 6:40:57 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
On the other hand, Rand was very respectful of man's capacity to pursue medical advances to enhance man's welfare. Bone marrow transplants are definitely an example of man's mind overcoming nature's obstacles.....
10 posted on 06/21/2002 6:45:18 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Voltage
Would you donate to a Marxist whose goal in life was to enslave you? And would you be able to find out before doing so?

That is a matter I have considered. One does not know who the recipient is. I would not knowingly donate to such a person. I have considered it in part as a sort of "trade" in which I am willing to help an unknown person of unknown character in exchange for the willingness of some unknown person to help one of my kids or my sweetie, Ms. Eula Goodnight, or anyone else dear to me, should that unhappy moment arrive.

11 posted on 06/21/2002 6:45:48 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: usconservative
Oh, and good for your wife....and what is it about some people and needles anyhow?
12 posted on 06/21/2002 6:47:33 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
I should add that, though I am a big fan of Rand's as well, I do not subject myself to WWARD types of internal dialogues. We must each make our own decisions. JMHO.
13 posted on 06/21/2002 6:48:14 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: RJCogburn
Could you please give me some information on how to be included on the donor register?

I've heard of this several times in the past few years but have never heard of how you get typed/matched etc to be put into the list and I am very much interested in doing this.

MKM

14 posted on 06/21/2002 6:51:04 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: Anamensis
We must each make our own decisions. JMHO.

I agree and had already decided to proceed. The question though interested me.

15 posted on 06/21/2002 6:51:23 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: BADJOE
If I am a match my brother will get half my liver. The reason is very simple. I do not want to lose him. It is worth the risk.
16 posted on 06/21/2002 6:54:40 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: mykdsmom
Could you please give me some information on how to be included on the donor register?

There is an 800 number.

1-800MARROW2

An odd feature.....there is a charge to the donor - that's you or me - of $75 to have the tissue typing done. They say there will be no further charges for anything thereafter. I do not know if that charge is nationwide or varies by center....for me it is the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, though I can have my blood drawn here at home in NH.

17 posted on 06/21/2002 6:56:43 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: mykdsmom
Call up any regional hospital and ask for the blood bank. They can put you in contact with the right people or depending on the hospital they may be the right people.
18 posted on 06/21/2002 6:57:42 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: RJCogburn
YIKES, $75 to be on the donor list?.......no wonder I haven't heard the details on how to be included before now.

What a crock. I really am interested in possibly donating but NO WAY am I gonna pay $75 to do so.

MKM

19 posted on 06/21/2002 7:16:17 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: Voltage
Would you donate to a Marxist whose goal in life was to enslave you? And would you be able to find out before doing so?

What a twisted thread, and a twisted question this is!... let me ask you this... should we interview all medical patients to determine and categorize their politics so that no one ever accidently donates to someone they may have philisophical differences with? Wouldn't want to accidently receive a marxist liver either if I were dying. Better interview the donors too!

20 posted on 06/21/2002 7:25:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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