TANCREDO, IMMIGRATION REFORM CAUCUS TO CALL FOR TROOPS ON BORDER

Immigration Reform Caucus ^ | 6/17/02 | Immigration Reform Caucus

[Tancredo Fan]

STEIN REPORT XXXXX Monday, June 17 2002 14:53:17 EDT XXXXX

TANCREDO, IMMIGRATION REFORM CAUCUS TO CALL FOR TROOPS ON BORDER

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) and other members of the House Immigration Reform Caucus will announce a new border security initiative at a press conference tomorrow. See the Immigration Reform Caucus release for more information.

[Texasforever]

That is why the enforcement arm of the INS is coming under the Homeland Defense Department. That separates the "welcome wagon" from the police function. However; even that is being criticized around here.

[Sabertooth]

You don't have to respond. I can't stand the fact that we agree on something (militarizing the borders) so I'm taking some pills and going to bed.

Hell, this turned out to be a successful thread.

I was actually gonna wait for "The Solution - Part II" befor responding.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The Solution Pt. II---Quit building manufacturing plants in China and build them in Mexico. Create jobs there.

[bok]

I would like to know why is it the US's job to create jobs for foreign nationals? China and Mexico is my enemy as i see it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

For the life of me, I can't figure WHY people who are screaming about imposing martial law, bitch about the "loss of our rights" under the Homeland Defense initiative.

Rights go out the window under martial law.

Do you think that they don't realize that by securing the borders with tye military, it would mean every point of entry into the US?

Every mile of shoreline, every airport, every seaport, every train station, every bus station?

[Sabertooth]

That is why the enforcement arm of the INS is coming under the Homeland Defense Department. That separates the "welcome wagon" from the police function.

As to the new Cabinet Department, the need for the restructuring is clear. Be a nice bonus if we could staff it without any of the entrenched Clintonistas.

My problem with the welcome wagon isn't so much that it was part of the INS, but that its mission creeped from welcoming lawful immigrants to coddling Illegals. Wherever the wagon ends up, that has to stop.

[PRND21]

1. The problem for most here? Bush won.
2. The "cause" is labor needs and those who hire.
3. The effect is labor received.

[Luis Gonzalez]

China is your enemy, they have said so.

Mexico may be YOUR enemy, but it isn't this country's enemy.

You create jobs in Mexico to a) end the need for them to come here looking for work, and b) get some low-priced consumer goods.

Win-win.

BTW, it isn't up to the US to create jobs anywhere, it would be up to the US CITIZENS who own the industries to do as they see fit with their businesses.

[PRND21]

Quit building manufacturing plants in China and build them in Mexico. Create jobs there.

Excellent part of a realistic solution.

[Texasforever]

Luis, Martial law goes FAR beyond that. You will get a real taste if and when there is a successful biological attack and it will not be pretty.

[Luis Gonzalez]

1. The problem for most here? Bush won.

OUCH! There you go, telling the truth again.

[Sabertooth]

The Solution Pt. II---Quit building manufacturing plants in China and build them in Mexico. Create jobs there.

I'm all for that. Cheap labor is a legitimate commodity, and I'd much rather utilize Mexico's to the benefit of our hemisphere, rather than continue to expand the industrial base of China's expansionist tyranny.

Your Pt. I was fine too. I noticed though, an oversight:

No provision for deportations.

[Texasforever]

Be a nice bonus if we could staff it without any of the entrenched Clintonistas.

I think it will but you are right, the "welcome wagon" has held sway over the enforcement arm and that has to stop. This integration of the enforcement functions into the HDD is a direct swipe at Zigler. I don't see a bright future for him as INS director. However; even if he stays, what is left of his agency can no longer block legitimate enforcement of our immigration laws.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Look again, they'll leave on their own.

Those that do not, and can make it here under those conditions will make fine Americans.

[Sabertooth]

1. The problem for most here? Bush won. 2. The "cause" is labor needs and those who hire. 3. The effect is labor received.

Let's see if I have it straight:

1. Non-answer.
2. Employers of Illegals are the cause of the problem.
3. Illegals are the effect.

No?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Right on dave!

[Luis Gonzalez]

There's a lot of truth to PRND's #1. Bush's relationship with Fox has raised a lot of eyebrows around here.

[Sabertooth]

Look again, they'll leave on their own.

Those that do not, and can make it here under those conditions will make fine Americans.

Your second sentence contradicts your first, in that you concede that they won't all leave.

Your second sentence also contradicts the law, in that Illegals can never make "fine Americans." They can never be Americans at all. In fact, they can never legally earn a dime, because you said in your Solution Pt. I that you would "Prosecute US employers that knowingly hire illegals."

Unless there's another aspect of your solution you haven't mentioned?

In addition, by letting Illegals stay at their own discretion, you never remove the biggest of all incentives for more to come here in violation of our laws...

Because they can and we let them.

Doesn't matter how good your other suggestions are: No deportations = no solution.

[PRND21]

1. Non-answer.
I don't think so.
Besides, the "problem" is not my perception, it is being stated and trumpeted largely by those who want to exploit it.
(Tancredo/Buchanan, et al)

2. Employers of Illegals are the cause of the problem.
They are here for jobs. Americans hire them. Yes.

3. Illegals are the effect.
Job offered, job taken. Yes.

I in no way mean to imply these are the only causes and effect, by the way. You did call for brevity. ;)

[Sabertooth]

This integration of the enforcement functions into the HDD is a direct swipe at Zigler. I don't see a bright future for him as INS director. However; even if he stays, what is left of his agency can no longer block legitimate enforcement of our immigration laws.

Depends on what happens with bipartisan efforts on behalf of Section 245(i).

If that bit of Clinton Legacy gets extended again, the wagon may as well back up to the border.