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Honda Takes Up Case in U.S. for Green Energy
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2002 | DANNY HAKIM

Posted on 06/12/2002 2:36:03 AM PDT by liberallarry

DETROIT, June 11 — When it comes to fuel economy and the environment, there is Honda and there is the rest of the auto industry.

The difference has come into sharp relief as battles rage over how to curb the nation's swelling appetite for oil.

Honda is the only major automaker that has not joined the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the industry trade group that has led the fight against tougher fuel and emissions standards.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: fuelefficiency; governmentpolicy; honda

1 posted on 06/12/2002 2:36:03 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I hate to say it, but if adding an improvement of just a few MPG to the ratings of most cars gets us completely off foreign oil within 5 to 10 years (because even if drilling in ANWR got approved today, it would take about that long before we started seeing the oil.) then it might be within our best national interests to compel automakers to comply.

I'm sure the Government called upon corporations to make sacrifices, or take certain actions during wartime, and this is no different.

I plan to seriously look into a hybrid vehicle when it comes time for a new car....
2 posted on 06/12/2002 3:09:07 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
I'm sure the Government called upon corporations to make sacrifices, or take certain actions during wartime, and this is no different.

I think you should buy what you want, but I see no justification for the government injecting itself in the fuel economy issue on any grounds whatever - current "standards" included. The auto industry should respond to market forces, not mandates from the government based on some energy independence objective.

Fuel efficiencies are improving and if Honda can prove its approach in the marketplace the demand from consumers will swing other manufacturers in that direction.

3 posted on 06/12/2002 3:31:34 AM PDT by toddst
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To: toddst
Normally, I would agree with you 110%. However, when the issue suddenly involves national security, and the funding of terrorism through gas we purchase, it seems to me that the Government has every right, and should be expected to put pressure on companies that willfully contribute to situations that harm national security.
4 posted on 06/12/2002 3:46:31 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: liberallarry
Manufacturers aren't going to invest in the research for any breakthroughs on MPG until the market and potential ROI justify it. One would think that the current global situation would be compelling enough, but so far only Honda's picked up on it.

The market will definately support the development of high MPG vehicles should the price of oil shoot sky-high once again. I'm more inclined to believe the government would be more disposed to creating an artificial oil crisis first rather than push MPG legislation, that would come later. Al Gore had it all worked out in his own facist little way. Ban the Internal-Combustion Engine and take it from there.

Personally I think everyone is in favor of the development of higher MPG engines, but no one is interested in driving an SUV with a 12 foot crumple zone nor pay $40,000 for a Honda Civic.

Hillary probably has a plan in the works to convince us that's a good thing, I imagine.

5 posted on 06/12/2002 4:08:47 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: liberallarry
Hybrid cars are a "feel good" solution, that are sold at a loss for "PR" purposes.
They are available at a price that many can pay so long as there are enought suckers... er.. buyers available to pay the outrageous prices for normal models to make continuing to subsidize them possible...

When that is no longer true, you gonna sell your house to buy a car that provides a few more MPG?
Makes sense to me...

6 posted on 06/12/2002 5:09:20 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: WyldKard
. . .it seems to me that the Government has every right, and should be expected to put pressure on companies that willfully contribute to situations that harm national security.

Our security isn't tied to fuel efficiency of our vehicle fleet. There's plenty of oil out there and shifting where it's bought makes more sense and is easier to change than is implementation of higher fuel efficiency of US vehicles IMHO.

Russia is anxious to sell us oil and has lots of it. Simply shifting purchases away from the middle east and to Russia can be done with government help - and relatively quickly. The reduced flow of dollars to terrorist supporters can be accomplished in short order, going this "change who we buy from" route.

7 posted on 06/12/2002 5:14:14 AM PDT by toddst
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To: toddst
Well, if that's true, then I'm all for it. To be honest, I had completely forgotten that Russia was now an up and coming heavyweight in the oil markets. If we can shift to them ASAP, then yes, that would be the best solution.

I seem to remember hearing that Europe is almost completely dependant on midest oil? If so, might explain a lot of their limp participation in the War on Terrorism thus far...
8 posted on 06/12/2002 5:56:08 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Publius6961
Hybrid cars are a "feel good" solution, that are sold at a loss for "PR" purposes.

I know this was true of electric cars, but are you sure this applies to hybrids - particularly Honda hybrids? This company has been profitable - for years - in areas of the market which have defeated others.

There's no doubt Joichiro Honda was a genius, and it seems to have rubbed off on the next generation. No Edsels for this company.

9 posted on 06/12/2002 7:23:22 AM PDT by liberallarry
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