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Suspect is being denied rights, say campaigners
The Independent ^ | 6/11/02 (for edition of 6/12/02)

Posted on 06/11/2002 5:25:10 PM PDT by GeneD

The Bush administration came under fire from civil rights groups yesterday for its decision to hold the suspected "dirty bomb" plotter in military custody and deny him access to civilian courts.

The American Civil Liberties Union, among others, said that if the case against Abdullah al-Muhajir, formerly known as Jose Padilla, was as serious as the government claimed, there was no reason not to charge him in the normal way and grant him full access to a lawyer.

The criticism is the latest in a long list of complaints over the American government's apparently cavalier attitude towards constitutional rights in its "war on terrorism".

Mr Muhajir's detention in a naval brig in South Carolina appears to have created a whole new category of detainee, since he is a US citizen but has nevertheless been designated an "enemy combatant", like the Taliban and al-Qa'ida fighters being held at the US naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Unlike the Guantanamo prisoners, however, he is unambiguously on US soil and so cannot be said to be outside the jurisdiction of civilian courts.

The ACLU specifically accused President George Bush of reneging on his commitment not to subject US citizens to military justice and said the government should explain why it has chosen not to charge Mr Muhajir. "For the United States to maintain its moral authority in the fight against terrorism, its actions must be implemented in accordance with core American legal and social values," said the organisation's executive director, Antony Romero.

John Ashcroft, the Attorney General, said Mr Muhajir's treatment was based on a precedent from the Second World War that was upheld by the Supreme Court. He said his critics had it all wrong. "The fight against terrorism is a fight to secure civil rights. It is the terrorist who threatens the liberty, freedom, equality, human dignity and even the existence of humanity."

The Bush administration has drawn fire from conservatives and liberals, as well as the international community, for abandoning due process since 11 September. The legality of the Guantanamo detentions is the subject of a federal lawsuit to be heard next month.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abdullahalmuhajir; aclu; dirtybombs; georgewbush; johnashcroft; terrorism

1 posted on 06/11/2002 5:25:10 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
The ACLU thinks terrorists have rights? No surprise there. They think abortionists are afforded special protections by the U.S Constitution even though the term isn't mentioned any where in it. Their entire past time seems to revolve around making it easier for sickos and deviants to weaken and destroy a great country. Suspect is being denied his rights, my foot.
3 posted on 06/11/2002 5:35:37 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: GeneD
More reasons for Bush to nominate more judges.
4 posted on 06/11/2002 5:38:51 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: GeneD
Denied the dear boy his rights? Oh, tut, tut! By all means, let's not try to save many thousands of lives by inconveniencing this murderous ex-con any further!

Clearly, he's insane. So we need to commit him, and provide a variety of therapies (all free, of course!). I believe some electroshock therapy would be a good place to start. Castration could help to correct any hormonal imbalance. And, in the end, a nice lobotomy might help.

Just call me Mr. Compassion.

5 posted on 06/11/2002 5:44:40 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: GeneD

Let's go FReepers!
It's FReepathon time!


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6 posted on 06/11/2002 5:46:04 PM PDT by Jen
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To: PA COPPERHEAD
I agree. Screw the ACLU and that ACLU/Reno loving bastard, Martin Sheen too.
7 posted on 06/11/2002 5:49:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: neutrino
It's plain to see you have his best interests at heart.

I say put him in a cell with Helen Thomas for a couple of months.

8 posted on 06/11/2002 5:50:04 PM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
Dear Mr. Compassion,

Who are these "campaigners" the article talks about?
Which "conservatives" are known to have fired on the Bush administration?

Inquiring minds want to know.

9 posted on 06/11/2002 5:52:49 PM PDT by tet68
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To: GeneD
The notion that a person can claim US citizenship by virtue of the circumstances of their birth is at the heart of many issues that weigh heavily upon our modern society.

This issue, the primary mechanism sustaining today's illegal alien invasion needs to be reexamined.

10 posted on 06/11/2002 6:02:51 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: tet68
Who are these "campaigners" the article talks about?

Well, from http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/chicagosuspect020611.html, come the following excerpts:

Al Muhajir's lawyer accused the government of violating his constitutional rights.

"He is being detained unconstitutionally, I believe. He has not been charged. There are no limitations on his detention. It is a violation of due process," said Donna Newman, who has represented al Muhajir before. She said she had not been allowed to meet with al Muhajir.

Newman said her client was "very upset" by his treatment since his arrest.

"He was moved everywhere in a three-piece suit of irons," she said. "The circumstances were very, very upsetting. He is no different than any other American; he is a human being and a citizen."

She said that al Muhajir was a father and had a "very loving family."

And later, in the same locale:

But civil rights advocates expressed concern over the administration's approach.

"I think we ought to be concerned about rights here," David Cole, of Georgetown University Law School, said Monday night on ABCNEWS' Nightline.

Cole said when the military tribunals were first announced, the president assured Americans they would be for non-citizens only.

But then al Muhajir was arrested, said Cole, and put into military custody, with no right to a lawyer or a hearing.

"And the government has asserted the right to hold him without a trial, until this war on terrorism ends, which may never end," said Cole.

Which "conservatives" are known to have fired on the Bush administration?

I'm not clear on this one. Chris Matthews is often billed as a conservative, but one might dispute that. I suspect that the problem is that those strongly oriented to the US Constitution question the seeming suspension of various civil rights in the case of this traitor. That being said, I am unable to offer any sources.

11 posted on 06/11/2002 6:34:16 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: GeneD
The UK has great tabloid reporters or should we say great opinion writers masquerading as reporters. The writer concludes, not reports, that the US is acting in an "apparently cavalier attitude" toward the consitution. Apparent to whom? I don't remember the US telling the UK how to prosecute IRA terrorist.
12 posted on 06/11/2002 6:37:13 PM PDT by PolishProud
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To: neutrino
An interesting video of a David Cole lecture. here
13 posted on 06/11/2002 6:45:18 PM PDT by tet68
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To: neutrino
"He is no different than any other American..."

Oh really?

14 posted on 06/11/2002 6:45:49 PM PDT by grimalkin
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To: all
A message from Jim Robinson regarding the fundraiser.
15 posted on 06/11/2002 6:54:26 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: neutrino
Donna R. Newman's law firm here
16 posted on 06/11/2002 6:56:41 PM PDT by tet68
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To: GeneD
I'm a conservative who thinks that he should be tried in civilian courts. Here we have a US citizen who was arrested on US soil. However, he isn't being charged; he is being detained. The evidence against him is kept secret, but the President and Attorney General both claim he's a baddie.

If you STILL think this is OK, think about Clinton and Reno announcing that McViegh was guilty but would not be tried.

17 posted on 06/11/2002 7:58:35 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: GeneD
Well, boo effin' hoo.
18 posted on 06/11/2002 9:08:25 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: studentintexas
McVey committed a crime. This is sedition and he has taken up service in the military of a foreign power against the US and that is enough to "surrender" your Citizenship, so we should get off the dated distinction that he is a Citizen and is entitled to certain Constutional rights. The Supreme Court settled that some time ago. Sit back and whatch theis unfold and you will see that this is true.
19 posted on 06/12/2002 9:37:41 PM PDT by scannell
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