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NIGHTLINE Tonight: The Big Picture (Dallas Paper to Break BIG Story on Catholic Scandal!)
ABCNEWS | June 11, 2002 | Leroy Sievers

Posted on 06/11/2002 1:21:39 PM PDT by Timesink

Subject: NIGHTLINE: The Big Picture

TONIGHT'S SUBJECT: For months now, we've been reporting on the scandal rocking the Catholic Church. But for the most part, we talk about one case here, another there. But just how widespread is the problem? Tonight we'll have the results of an investigation done by our colleagues at the Dallas Morning News. The numbers are actually pretty shocking.

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I'm sitting here, having a little trouble getting started. We have reported on this scandal several times so far. For the most part, the stories are fairly similar, the anguish of the victims, and their anger, and the response by the Church. But it is sort of like profiling each tree, one at a time, and not looking at the forest, to use an old metaphor. Just how widespread is this problem? If it were just one person here, and maybe another there, it might be easier to understand. But there has always been a feeling that this is a systemic problem, that underlying the individual stories that have come into the public eye, and those that have not, is some sort of widespread problem.

Some say the issue is celibacy. Others that the priesthood attracts those disposed towards children. Still others argue that the issue is homosexuality in the priesthood. And there are many other explanations. And they may all be partly true, and party false. But tonight we will address just how widespread this problem is. This week, the bishops are meeting in Dallas to debate a proposed policy to deal with priests who are accused of, or proven to be guilty of molestation. Many of the victims say the policy doesn't go far enough, that it is too lenient. But with the bishops and others beginning to arrive in Dallas today, our friends at the Dallas Morning News came to us with the results of an investigation they conducted. Their story will be in the paper tomorrow, and on their Web site tonight. They tried to track down every credible allegation. And the numbers they found are staggering.

Roughly two-thirds of the bishops have either been accused themselves, actually a relatively small number, or more commonly, are accused of covering up the actions of one of their priests. We'll be reporting on the details of what the Morning News found tonight, but clearly the numbers indicate that the problem is more than just the crimes of isolated individuals. So we'll have a report from ABC News correspondent Bill Blakemore from Dallas on the Morning News investigation, and a preview of what will happen later in the week. Ted will interview the bishop who headed the committee that wrote the proposed policy. But I think tonight's broadcast will make it clear that this is much more than a couple of isolated cases being given too much publicity. Something has gone terribly wrong.

Tuesday, June 11, 2002

Leroy Sievers and the Nightline Staff
Nightline Offices
Washington, D.C.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: abc; abcnews; catholicchurch; catholiclist; catholics; churchscandal; nightline
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To: blue jeans
It's in the Bible--more accurately, He is in the Bible.

In the Roman Catholic Church, celibacy is required because the priest is supposed to be 'another Christ.' Christ was celibate, not married--and He is the role model for priests.

It is obvious, too, that priests are quite human.

As to Peter, yes he was married. Do you know for a fact whether he enjoyed relations with this wife AFTER he became Pope?

If you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the answer to that question, feel free to ping back.

As to the Eastern Orthodox who have a married clergy, the story is that they simply did not accept the authority of the Council which laid down 'the law.'

101 posted on 06/11/2002 7:14:53 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Virginia-American
"A Catholic friend told me that the Church is rotating priests - they can't be in a parish more than eight years. Can anyone confirm / deny this? It sounds incredibly stupid to me."

Generally, this is up to the Bishop of the diocese. In one diocese where we lived, the priests were rotated every 5 years. But in this one, our priest has been with us for eleven years.

102 posted on 06/11/2002 7:22:20 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Timesink
My husband has a friend who left the Catholic seminary 30 years ago because of the rampant and blatant homosexuality he witnessed there. When he complained about it, he was treated like a troublemaker! He finally realized that straight men were unwelcome there so he left.
103 posted on 06/11/2002 7:34:33 PM PDT by wontbackdown
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To: wontbackdown
Maybe to increase the number of priests, they should have gay and straight seminaries. Just a thought.
104 posted on 06/11/2002 7:36:16 PM PDT by Torie
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To: redhead
re:"But I am beginning to suspect that these men have all been PLACED."

Someone was talking about this a few years ago. As far as anti-Catholic conspiracy theories go, and there is more than a little factual basis for these, they are going to find that some of these sodomites are also members of secret societies and received assistance from such in their careers. Michael Rose has already detailed, in Goodbye! Good Men!, the peculiar circumstances surrounding that psychiatrist in Cincinnati who was screening out heterosexual seminary candidates.

I guarantee that you will hear more along these lines, more bizarre and weirder than yet revealed. This ain't over yet by any means. It might even make Malachi Martin's novel look tame.

105 posted on 06/11/2002 7:36:57 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sockmonkey
Oh that's right he only made archbishop.
106 posted on 06/11/2002 7:40:25 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: maryz
Thanks Mary
107 posted on 06/11/2002 7:53:32 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: saradippity
Are you in the Diocese of LC? I'll just put the initials and if you are you'll know which diocese I'm talking about.
108 posted on 06/11/2002 8:07:34 PM PDT by tiki
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To: ninenot
As to Peter, yes he was married. Do you know for a fact whether he enjoyed relations with this wife AFTER he became Pope?

[1Cor 7:3.7] "The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband."

If Peter was married, they should not have denied each other conjugal rights. To speculate that they could have done so is just that: mere speculation. In all likelihood, they did not.

The rule of celibacy ought to be discarded because it is un-Biblical. However, it bears only a marginal relationship to the problem at hand, which is primarily one of senior church leadershipt tolerating homosexuality, pedophilia, and pederasty by other members of the clergy. I am certain that the problem is not confined to Catholics.

109 posted on 06/11/2002 8:08:09 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Timesink
Roughly two-thirds of the bishops have either been accused themselves, actually a relatively small number, or more commonly, are accused of covering up the actions of one of their priests.

This statement is correct because this statement accuses two-thirds of the bishops and then it says that two-thirds of the bishops have been accussed. It's a self fulfilling statement.

110 posted on 06/11/2002 8:08:20 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Chemnitz
That expains a lot about Hesburg and the direction he took ND--away from Catholicism.
111 posted on 06/11/2002 8:17:57 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: DallasMike
Celibacy is not unbiblical, just unjewish, if by Jewish one refers to the norms that developed in the 2nd Century and following. But in the first century we have the Essenes and, of course, the Baptist--and Jesus. How common was it for a Jewish man approaching middle age not to be married? Not as uncommon as you seem to think.
112 posted on 06/11/2002 8:21:59 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Slyfox
Traditionally, though, the Abbot General of the Benedictine order does make cardinal.
113 posted on 06/11/2002 8:24:13 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
What is this about:

Another issue that has generated a measure of criticism against RCF has been the endorsement of RCF’s activities by Fr. Malachi Martin, †R.I.P.† Critics have often cited rumors, innuendo, and gossip to justify their complaints. (Is it possible that Fr. Martin may have committed some wrongdoing 40 years in the past? Of course it is possible. Does any one of us have nothing in our past that caused us subsequent remorse and contrition?) However, when I contacted Fr. Hardon to solicit his opinion and advice about Fr. Martin’s endorsement of RCF, Fr. Hardon explicitly stated that Fr. Martin was “right with the Church.”

From: http://www.rcf.org/docs/FromThePresident.htm

114 posted on 06/11/2002 8:28:30 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
The searchable database is here:

Church Scandal

It is absolutely mind-boggling. Widespread, endemic, institutionalized corruption.

115 posted on 06/11/2002 8:34:36 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: a history buff
The allegation, apparently, that Malachi Martin had an affair with a married woman earlier in his career perhaps? Before he became the well-known writer in America. No idea what the truth of that is. In terms of something like his novel about Satanists, it doesn't really raise one's credibility to hint at things in fiction while claiming to know facts you, conveniently, just can't reveal. Martin had a very Irish and continental theatrical style of rhetorical presentation which was not always entirely clear. If he knew that some prelate WAS into weird, kinky, perverse, occult crap, he (and Greeley) just should have spelled that out. But then maybe they heard about it in a Confession. Who knows...
116 posted on 06/11/2002 8:36:07 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Have you read the Dallas Morning news article yet? How did your bishop stand up. Mine only had the one problem which was not an actual abuse but employing a priest with a past abuse against him.
117 posted on 06/11/2002 8:45:48 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Palladin
Thank you for the info.
118 posted on 06/11/2002 8:46:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: tiki
They've posted that article already? I'm in the midst of Ted Koppel's and ABC's Nightline tribunal trial of the American Church. A rather absurd display. They keep emphasizing the "Catholic" institutional aspects while downplaying the role of modern American homosexual subculture.
119 posted on 06/11/2002 8:49:24 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
As a teen, his novels truely fascinated him. From David to Vatican, I read most of them. As an adult, I've decided he was an exquisite ecclesiastical blend of the Weekly World News meets the National Enquirer. By the way, a while back there was a website claiming he met an unnatural demise.
120 posted on 06/11/2002 8:49:38 PM PDT by a history buff
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