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NIGHTLINE Tonight: The Big Picture (Dallas Paper to Break BIG Story on Catholic Scandal!)
ABCNEWS | June 11, 2002 | Leroy Sievers

Posted on 06/11/2002 1:21:39 PM PDT by Timesink

Subject: NIGHTLINE: The Big Picture

TONIGHT'S SUBJECT: For months now, we've been reporting on the scandal rocking the Catholic Church. But for the most part, we talk about one case here, another there. But just how widespread is the problem? Tonight we'll have the results of an investigation done by our colleagues at the Dallas Morning News. The numbers are actually pretty shocking.

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I'm sitting here, having a little trouble getting started. We have reported on this scandal several times so far. For the most part, the stories are fairly similar, the anguish of the victims, and their anger, and the response by the Church. But it is sort of like profiling each tree, one at a time, and not looking at the forest, to use an old metaphor. Just how widespread is this problem? If it were just one person here, and maybe another there, it might be easier to understand. But there has always been a feeling that this is a systemic problem, that underlying the individual stories that have come into the public eye, and those that have not, is some sort of widespread problem.

Some say the issue is celibacy. Others that the priesthood attracts those disposed towards children. Still others argue that the issue is homosexuality in the priesthood. And there are many other explanations. And they may all be partly true, and party false. But tonight we will address just how widespread this problem is. This week, the bishops are meeting in Dallas to debate a proposed policy to deal with priests who are accused of, or proven to be guilty of molestation. Many of the victims say the policy doesn't go far enough, that it is too lenient. But with the bishops and others beginning to arrive in Dallas today, our friends at the Dallas Morning News came to us with the results of an investigation they conducted. Their story will be in the paper tomorrow, and on their Web site tonight. They tried to track down every credible allegation. And the numbers they found are staggering.

Roughly two-thirds of the bishops have either been accused themselves, actually a relatively small number, or more commonly, are accused of covering up the actions of one of their priests. We'll be reporting on the details of what the Morning News found tonight, but clearly the numbers indicate that the problem is more than just the crimes of isolated individuals. So we'll have a report from ABC News correspondent Bill Blakemore from Dallas on the Morning News investigation, and a preview of what will happen later in the week. Ted will interview the bishop who headed the committee that wrote the proposed policy. But I think tonight's broadcast will make it clear that this is much more than a couple of isolated cases being given too much publicity. Something has gone terribly wrong.

Tuesday, June 11, 2002

Leroy Sievers and the Nightline Staff
Nightline Offices
Washington, D.C.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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To: foreshadowed at waco
Knowing "Nightline," they will try to spin it to damage and liberalize the Catholic Church. It won't work. But if they out a homosexual cardinal, which is what I also suspect is in the works, I hope the culprit is forced from office.

The press broke this scandal hoping to liberalize the Church and encourage having married priests and women priests. I'm sure Nightline will play it the same way. Instead, the campaign will backfire and the homosexuals will be dealt a great setback. The Church has been given a great opportunity here to turn things around and reform itself. If the American bishops don't seize this golden opportunity they will deserve to be thrown out of office and replaced by faithful and competent pastors.

61 posted on 06/11/2002 3:48:39 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yes,there are many reasons that Nightline will report two thirds of the bishops are accused of abuse,homosexuality or covering up for priests who have abused or been accused of abuse.You have mentioned many reasons but I am surprised that you didn't mention the one reason that is probably the most frequent.

I think it is very probable that many bishops came into office years after the offense,documentation showed that 1)it was not proven,or 2)it was excessive affection with no bare skin contact 3)counselling and treatment clearly stated that the priest was contrite,asked for forgiveness and never had a problem again,and made the decision that this man had fallen but would not succumb in the future.

I do believe Christ promised to send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles and the successors of same,and I am willing to allow good Bishops,those that are in accord under the Holy Father,to make some decisions,that only he can have the knowledge and holiness to make.

I have watched my own bishop,who is the only one that I can observe first hand,and he needs to be removed or resign.Our bishop constantly stands truth on its head. He lies about just anything;altar rails,Latin Mass,school closings,exiting Orders,priest shortage and on and on.Once you know a man cannot be trusted with little things you know he will lie about big things. He was still mouthing how we were ahead of the curve with respect to our harrassment policies all the while harboring all sorts of unfit priests who were supporting all kinds of unCatholic causes,blatently living with their same sex partners,burning churches,allowing porno to be filmed on an altar,exhibiting themselves in public(several),paying money to shut people up,allowing priest treated and found to be a risk around women and children to be placed at a church with a school and it goes on and on. But what is really frightening is that people here are not up in arms,they had a very successful diocesan fund drive and they cheer the perverted priests when they see them. Scary,scary.

Many of our bishops are very bad and they must be removed but in the process let us use great caution to ensure that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. That would suit that ole enemy just fine. And,I do think unless cooler heads prevail that's where we are headed. We need to pray.

In case anyone's making book,I will say that one third of our bishops are actually perverts or covering up for same,and they must go. Anybody want to hazard their own guess on the percentages?.

62 posted on 06/11/2002 3:49:58 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: ex-snook ; foreshadowed at waco ; saradippity
From: newsmax.com

When They Came for the Catholics, Part 2
Michael Savage
Friday, April 12, 2002

Michael Savage interviews William Donahue

SAVAGE: William Donahue, I read somewhere that some are saying there's a velvet mafia that took over many Catholic seminaries. Is there any truth to that statement, in your opinion?

DONAHUE: Well, Andrew Greeley, who is famous for writing sex novels, did come out and say that there was a lavender mafia. There's no question there's a homosexual network. Here's the proof, Mike. I'm looking at this stuff, of course, day in, day out, I'm living it. And these pedophiles would say to the kids, "You'd better not say anything because if you do, no one will believe you."

Now, when a guy says that in New York, the other guy says it in Dallas, that's a network. They're all on the same page, they've got their cue cards together. And that's the scary thing about it; it became a mantra. So there is a network there. How big is it? I don't exactly know, but whatever it is, it's damaging.

Though the sexual revolution took place in terms of ideas in the 1960s, all hell didn't break loose until the '70s. The Catholic Church is not an insular institution. It hit the church like a hurricane, and these guys just took their libidos and threw it to the wind. They should have just left the priesthood and said "It's not working out for me."

Instead, they reinterpreted everything. Even bestiality now could be understood as not intrinsically evil. And there was a book, by Father Anthony Kosnick, that was used in seminaries in the late '70s that was used to promote this. So if anything, this is not a church run by conservatives, run by the ruler. This has been a free-for-all for decades.

I was in a Catholic college and you should see the anti-Catholicism that existed there at the highest ranks, including the nuns who ran the place and who didn't want anybody with a collar, namely a monsignor, any priest, to get the job.

You know what? The liberals are saying it all has to come out. Oh, boy, nobody wants it all to come out more than Bill Donahue, and once it does, people will find out what a bunch of phonies a lot of these liberals have been. They've been eating away at the Catholic Church like a bunch of termites for a long time. Some of these priests and nuns are like welfare kings and queens. They should have the decency to get off the dole.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/12/224854.shtml

63 posted on 06/11/2002 3:50:46 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I honestly thought that after Poland's revolution, the socialists would target the church...

It's been a long time coming, but the maturation of plans laid much earlier, foreshadowed in the 60s sexual upheaval, to destroy the church from within is upon us.

64 posted on 06/11/2002 3:54:13 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: saradippity
Our bishop constantly stands truth on its head. He lies about just anything;altar rails,Latin Mass,school closings,exiting Orders,priest shortage and on and on.Once you know a man cannot be trusted with little things you know he will lie about big things. He was still mouthing how we were ahead of the curve with respect to our harrassment policies all the while harboring all sorts of unfit priests who were supporting all kinds of unCatholic causes,blatently living with their same sex partners,burning churches,allowing porno to be filmed on an altar,exhibiting themselves in public(several),paying money to shut people up,allowing priest treated and found to be a risk around women and children to be placed at a church with a school and it goes on and on.

And I thought we had it bad in Boston. Who is your bishop?

65 posted on 06/11/2002 3:58:55 PM PDT by maryz
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To: BlackElk
I enjoy reading your posts because you seem well-read about historical matters. I meant to answer your last one but am trying to set up a new computer. Although I did stick in a comment or two here and there. My old computer conks out unpredictably. It will take awhile to get up and running on the other computer, installing new software, and getting used to XP. I'm having trouble with the new modem but so far got everything else hooked up right.
66 posted on 06/11/2002 3:59:16 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: saradippity
"it was excessive affection with no bare skin contact"

Yes, there are surely such cases. Unwanted attention or affection which does not involve genital contact or nudity, of course, is not rape and in a very different category. There are various types of affection or sexual attention which fall short of abuse or molestation in the technical sense.

Some of these other areas of Catholic life (liturgy, sacraments, iconoclasm in sacred art & architecture, theology, doctrine, higher education, wacky liberal nuns, etc.) are perhaps just as disturbing in some ways in that they do permanent damage to faith as well, sometimes destroying entire institutions, parishes, universities, seminaries, or religious orders. Bishops have to promote the entirety of Catholicism and Catholic culture throughout all the institutions of the Church. A bishop who tolerates anti-Catholic agitation at the local Catholic college or allows a religious order full of liberal kooks to run wild damages the Church. Where the rights of the laity to have access to proper Catholic teaching and sacramental practice are abused, the whole Church suffers. As an example, what the American Jesuits have done to Catholic educational institutions in this country is every bit as damaging as being sodomized. It's the metaphorical-intellectual variation of being sodomized.

67 posted on 06/11/2002 4:02:47 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Illbay
Fwiw... here's yet another 2 cents (and granted it's based on just half of all that has been alleged being close to true):

By requiring celibacy they in turn have put themselves in a position where it 'sounds like' they're willing to do almost anything to either keep priests or at least continue getting new ones (e.g. look the other way on homosexual preiests). That may be why there is this 'homosexual problem' in the priesthood that others have been talking about. Granted the secretive nature doesn't help. But when you need every available man, then you're vulnerable to giving in to just taking 'available' and not 'worthy'.

Who knows the extent... but as to celibacy.... why? Where in the Bible does it state that a pastor/preacher/priest must be? Paul said he viewed it as a 'gift' but it isn't for all men.

Peter had a wife (the first pope btw). Don't know how well documented that is, but I've seen that in a few different places. If the first pope (and for that matter apparently many others for the first few hundred years of the Catholic Church (which has been reported... although how accurate that is I don't know), then why make man's wishes into a requirement that is acting as a ball and chain.

If I need to see a priest about a marriage issue then I'd much rather talk to a man who knows what it's about. How can these men relate to their congregation in that manner?

If it's in the Bible as a requirement, then folks please show me? Show us all. And if it's not, then why the ball and chain.

68 posted on 06/11/2002 4:06:46 PM PDT by blue jeans
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To: Timesink
Get ready for a night of Catholic-bashing!
69 posted on 06/11/2002 4:07:54 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: foreshadowed at waco
You are probably correct with regards the motivation of a few families and some of the men who became priests themselves. Their families may have been totally unaware of the secret demons besetting their son.

However,a great deal of the perverse behavior is a natural outcome of an organization with a significant number of those who do not believe in God.You see,when man becomes god,he can do anything he thinks is beneficial to himself,the victim or society in general with no remorse. The human mind has an uncanny ability to rationalize behaviors to be compatible with one's desires. And,afterall who knows better than god himself what is best for everybody?

Anyhow the biggest reason this occurred is because the Catholic Church was infiltrated by communists and socialists from the time of the Russian revolution. As the years went by they adopted Gramcian techniques and by the mid fifties all was in order for the takeover. Concomitantly,the Church was gaining great strength in this country after WWII and the take over was not effected as smoothly as anticipated.So what was supposed to occur in the late seventies brewed and simmered until now. For those of you interested in saving Christianity and Western Civilization,there is a lot riding on how this plays out. It is not the time for petty bickering and inter religious nit=picking,it is a time to pray for God's assistance and to work with all of our might to bring the truth ooout and uncover all the secret,corrupt and devilish machinations that have been festering for some time now.

BTWThis has been going on in some form or another since the Fall. It certainly has happened in the Church before but I am just describing the latest unfolding event,the one that is taking place in our lives and time.

70 posted on 06/11/2002 4:12:22 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: blue jeans
By requiring celibacy they in turn have put themselves in a position where it 'sounds like' they're willing to do almost anything to either keep priests or at least continue getting new ones (e.g. look the other way on homosexual preiests).

If you read Michael Rose's book, Goodbye! Good Men, you will see that far too many seminaries have been rejecting men simply because they are in PC lingo "homophobes." Who does that leave?

71 posted on 06/11/2002 4:13:43 PM PDT by maryz
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To: eastsider
Richard McBrien of Notre Dame suggested more than one cardinal. There is defintely one cardinal known to be an active homosexual. That was acknowledged by McBrien, Bill O'Reilly, and by implication the president of a large Catholic organization. (It was said on the program that this man definitely knew the name of the cardinal. McBrien knew this was so of the organization's president. It sounded like common knowledge among many people.)

But don't ask me who it was. When I was at Notre Dame there were no less than three active homosexuals in theology (and in some kind of hot water). I suspected more but I'm not going to say who. My wife thought it was odd that the retired president of Notre Dame lived on a floor of the ND library with another priest. The floor was designed for their apartment. That does not mean that they were homosexuals. However, it seemed peculiar.

72 posted on 06/11/2002 4:20:08 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: B-Chan
This story (above). No precise details yet.
73 posted on 06/11/2002 4:23:05 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Chemnitz
My wife thought it was odd that the retired president of Notre Dame lived on a floor of the ND library with another priest.

Hesburgh?

74 posted on 06/11/2002 4:23:07 PM PDT by maryz
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Don't know the veracity of that, but it seems that more than one Cardinal is homosexual. What I have heard, don't remember the source is that both Law and Mahoney are homosexual, either that or really confused. Supposeduly Law's nickname is Bunny, and Mahoney's is ruby, my Mom told me this and I started laughing, then I realized that these two men hold posistions of authority within the Church. Anyone substantiate these rumors, or are they an urban legend (please be an urban legend). God Bless
75 posted on 06/11/2002 4:24:33 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Can't confirm that, but, at this point in the current cycle of decadence, it wouldn't be terribly surprising. They certainly look peculiar.
76 posted on 06/11/2002 4:26:16 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Judith Anne
Supposedly, a Communist in the 1950s boasted that some 1,000 Communists (or fellow travelers) had been infiltrated into seminaries and religious orders. This may have been simple boasting, sort of like al Quaida's ravings, but even if the number wasn't 1,000, I'm sure they at least slipped in a few of them and left them in place for the future.

Now, of course, institutional Communism has collapsed. But that ol'left wing feeling still lives on, and perhaps these supposed Johnny Appleseeds of Communism had something to do with it. But then, remember, the "Devil like a roaring lion goes about seeking whom he may devour," and he probably didn't even need the help of the Communists once Church doctrine had collapsed.

77 posted on 06/11/2002 5:06:58 PM PDT by livius
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To: RobbyS
Consider that the Boy Scouts have been hounded because they have afollowed a policy that the press is urging on the Church.

A consideration worth repeating.

78 posted on 06/11/2002 5:08:20 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: Timesink
A Catholic friend told me that the Church is rotating priests - they can't be in a parish more than eight years. Can anyone confirm / deny this? It sounds incredibly stupid to me.

Term limits in the Curia, however, seem like a good idea.

79 posted on 06/11/2002 5:11:53 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The timing on this is not a coincidence. I've been waiting for the media to release this Cardinal's name and wondering why they haven't. Doing it now, in Dallas, with the Bishops convening there is perfect sabotage in their eyes I'm sure. Maybe that's why we saw two resignations today. These guys knew they were toast.
80 posted on 06/11/2002 5:12:27 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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