Posted on 06/09/2002 6:46:16 AM PDT by gracie1
It was a wonderful way to spend a cool evening by the bluffs of the San Joaquin river. A local organization, The Middleeast Connection, held a rally in Woodward Park in Fresno, CA last night to show the community that what Israel fights against is the same extremism that our country is now facing. We were treated to a wide range of experts in middle eastern affairs and political and commentators who spoke about our common goals, enemies, culture and faith in God.
List of speakers:
Dr Bruce Thornton, California State University Fresno
Bill Manders, Author and Broadcaster KMJ Radio
Gen Shimon Erem IDF (ret)
George Otis, Voice of Hope Global Broadcasting
Dr Victor Davis Hanson CSUF Prof., Author and Farmer
Col John Somerville, USMC (ret)
Rabbi Frank Stern, Temple Beth Israel
Rabbi Josef Germaine Congregation Beth Jacob
Freepers in Attendance (that I noticed, if you were there, please let us know!)
Jim Robinson
Sheila Robinson
Chris Robinson
Saundra Duffy
Lager
Gracie1
The Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. Perhaps you can find some Biblical reference that indicates that the last few centuries of persecution is God's reward for being His chosen people, and not attonement for their inequities. Jesus lived for what, 30 years? Persecution for the Jews has been going on for centuries.
This is the prophesied return of the Jews as written in the Scriptures!
Then how do you explain Hosea 1:10,11?
Why you would take this slight, I have no idea.
It's not a slight; it's a question. You've been playing back conditioning. The reason I think it's conditioning is because the historical and Biblical record indicate otherwise. That would mean you've been passed information and you believed it without verification, or you picked up assumptions by implication from emotional messages, or both.
I wondered if you would become were aware of it if asked. The actually works sometimes. It's not a judgement on you because we're all conditioned in one way or another and not aware of it.
Genesis: God, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Lot, Abraham , Sara, Melchizedek, Eliezer, Hagar, Ishmael, Isaac , Abimelech, Rebekah, Laban, Keturah, Esau, Jacob/Israel , Leah, Rachel, Reuben, Simeon, Levi , Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dinah, Potiphar, Tamar, Perez, Zerah, Manasseh, Ephraim.
Exodus: Moses, Zipporah, Gershom, Jethro, Aaron, Eleazar, Joshua, Hur , Nadab, Abihu, Ithamar, Bezalel, Uri, Nun, Oholiab, Ahisamach.
Leviticus: Mishael, Elzaphan, Uzziel, Molech, Shelomith, Dibri.
Others: David, Solomon and Sampson were not Jews, among many others...
None of the Israelites were called "Jews" until well after the collapse of the original Davidic Kingdom of Israel. These 5 MILLION Israelites split into Northern and Southern Kingdoms in about 922 BC, and both Kingdoms were taken into captivity and separate diaspora within 400 years.
It was not until ~500 BC, following the return of remnants of the Southern Kingdom from Bablyon that the name Jew appears. Those ~50,000 Jews were Southern Kingdom Israelites.
They were only a tiny group compared to the Millions of Israelites from the Northern Kingdom who had escaped their Assyrian captivity and moved on to appear in history as The Celts .
Fair enough. Suggest you get a copy of the book on the Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum. A link is at my Profile.
It sets out the case in a very solid but readible way. These original Assyrian records have much to say about the Northern Kingdom while it was captive there, and where it went from Assyria. (HINT: They were not "assimilated".) Give it a fair trial and I think you be impressed with the evidence.
(Click on my Profile for details.)
You mean when Jesus returns? It would be about time, don't you think, since they were His source people the first time? But they don't now. The diaspora of the House of Judah was not, in a sense, an atonement; it was in atonement for their turning from God, same as with the House of Israel. God Himself spanked both Houses, one of which we know as the Jews. Maybe "chastisement" would have been a better word.
Israel has been "dead" for 2 thousand years, and have arisen again, and will soon become officially resurrected through their spontaneous faith in the Messiah.
It's Judah mainly that needs to accept the Messiah. Israel, if I read the numbers right, makes up the balance of the Christians. Apparantly they were more willing to listen than than the Jews.
That's an interesting way to look at it, and I believe an accurate one. The Northern Kingdom has come to Christ, but the Southern Kingdom has not. The bulk of Christianity today is made up of House of Israelites.
(The error in much modern thinking is that todays Christians are "Gentiles". They are indeed Jewish Gentiles, but they are not Israelite Gentiles, for they are Israelites.)
Well, if the Celts were Israelites, then chances are the Saxons, Anglos and Germanic tribes were, too. They all appear to be the same racial stock. Europe is Christian and likewise its children: America, Austrailia, New Zealand, ect. Seems to be a logical assumption.
Judah need to upgrade to Covenant v 2.0. They've been running spiritualware no longer supported by GodSoft.
Joseph Lieberman, Paul Newman, Ted Koppel, Harrison Ford, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., Kirk Douglas, Kevin Costner, Stephen Breyer, Yitzhak Rabin, Michael Landon, Lorne Greene, Mike Wallace, Benjamin Netanyahu, William Shatner, Douglas Fairbanks, Cary Grant, Leonard Bernstein, Paul Simon, Ariel Sharon, David Frost, Morley Safer, Ari Fleischer,
Steve Balmer, Jack Benny, Alan King, Casper Weinberger, Carl Reiner, George Burns, Red Buttons, Sam Levinson, Bernard Goldberg, Robert Downey Jr., Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Peter Sellers, Tony Curtis, Edward G. Robinson, Wolf Blitzer, Mel Torme, Paul Wellstone, Peter Falk, Leonard Nimoy, Jerry Springer, Arlen Spector, William Cohen,
Barry Goldwater, Robert Rubin, William Roth, Howard Metzenbaum, Hyman Rickover, Robert Reich, Russ Feinberg, Stanley Mosk, Arthur Burns, Milton Friedman, Bill Kristol, Victor Borge, William Kristol, Warren Rudman, etc., etc., etc.
Trying to put national borders around "Celts" or "Jews" or any other group is perilous, and ultimately not very important, IMHO. My interest is in trying to identify the major streams of history insofar as they apply to the ancient Israelites.
It is not difficult to identify the Celts as the rootstock and main contributors to the genetic pool of most of the nations of NW Europe. And it is becoming increasingly easy to identify the Kingdom of Israel, known as the Lost Tribes of Israel taken captive to Assyria as the source of the Celts. Every year brings more archeological finds which reinforce what were hundreds of years ago just "hunches" or theories. A major NYT article last December reported the Celts in eastern Turkey about the same time the Lost Tribes went missing in the same area. When such coincidences become routine, maybe it isn't just coincidence any more.
Much of European history is about these Celtic groups, The Lost Tribes, fighting among themselves, just at they did in Egypt and ~Palestine long before.
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