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Relocation of Islamic fundamentalists from the Caucasus to the Middle East
Orbat ^ | 5.30.02

Posted on 05/30/2002 10:57:51 AM PDT by swarthyguy

Is Saudi Arabia (KSA) trying to get more influence in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict by relocating Wahhabi fundamentalists from the Caucasus to the Middle East? Besides trying to get more influence in the countries of the Caucasus it seems that according to some Russian reports that wherever the oil flows or wherever the Saudi Intelligence service (SOR) directs them to, Wahhabi fundamentalists are settling into their terrorist activities. And this time apparently the Middle Eastern conflict is the focus of their attention.

According to the reports, the Wahhabis from the Caucasus are concentrated in two different Wahhabi groups in the Lebanon; the Asbat al Ansar and the Takfir Wa Al-Hijra, this would permit the KSA to increase its influence in the conflict to the level of Tehran, with its control over Hezbollah. It would also give it the possibility to escalate tension on Israel's Northern border at any time, thus provoking, in the long term, possible armed clashes between Syria and Israel.

The Saudi Intelligence service deeply involved

The relocation campaign started apparently two years ago but was stepped up significantly in the spring of this year. The main co-ordinator and initiator of this evacuation was apparently Saudi Arabia's General Intelligence Service (SOR KSA - Al Istakhbarat al-'Amiyyah) and the International leadership (AL-QIYADAH AL-'ALIMIYYAH) of the International association of Muslim (Brotherhood) brothers (HARAKAT AL-IKHAWAN AL-MUSLIMUN). In order to accomplish its missions the indicated organizations above are working with numerous NGO's and commercial companies as well with Islamic organizations and individual Muslim activists connected with Saudi Arabia and operating in Russia, the Caucasus, the Ukraine, Central Asia, Turkey, and European countries including the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Sweden.

According to the same sources there are also links with the SOR KSA and the Pakistani ISI. Apparently small groups of "Chechen Arabs" were relocated/redeployed to Northeast Georgia, North Azerbaijan, Abkhazia, Tajikistan and Kazachstan, furthermore some of these clandestine groups were relocated to Turkey and Gaza. But apparently in the last year the lion share of the redeployed Chechens went to Lebanon and Jordan. Besides being relocated into two different groups Asbat Al Ansar and Takfir Wa Al Hijra, the Mujahideen maintained contacts with the SOR KSA. Accordingly the Russian Security Service(FSB) are trying to neutralize their communications with those still remaining in the Caucasus. Jordan also got a piece of the cake, according to several sources some 20 Chechen Arabs had been relocated to refugee camps in the country. It seems that these Chechen's have some links with the Jordanian Military Intelligence service and civil police through Chechen officers.

Reasons behind the relocation

The largest reason would be the Russian crackdown on the Islamic Fundamentalists in the Caucasus but also that Wahhabism isn't getting the backing of the local population as it had expected. According to seized documents the largest reason for the Saudi Arabian aid would be a financial one, namely the necessity for preserving tension in the Near East to artificially support prices in the world petroleum market on a background of a general decline in economic activity, thus leading to a reduction in oil prices which would undermine also the Saudi economy and which could lead in the long run to social-political crisis in the country. The latter is something that Saudi Arabia is deperate to avoid, although it has already been plagued over the last year with a number of riots organized by groups opposing the Al Saud regime. This would also threaten to undermine Saudi Arabia's influence with the West and risk a geo-strategically disaster for Saudi Arabia and its partners.

Another reason could also be that Saudi Arabia is trying to get a hand in the Middle East peace process area by redirecting Chechen Arabs to these locations. These groups would then be under their direct control and not under the influence of Palestinian public opinion or directly controlled by the PNA. Saudi Arabia is still an exporter and promoter of Wahhabism, a traditional and fundamentalist form of Islam. The Saudi role in the peace process would increase to the level of importance that Iran is playing for at the moment. By inciting attacks on Israel these groups would most surely create retaliatory reactions from Israel on the countries that are harbouring them and causing possible future violence between these states and Israel. Additionally they could be used as pressure groups against the established governments, especially in Jordan.

Whether entirely directed or not by the KSA, the relocation of Chechen Arabs to the Middle East is a significant issue, something that will play a giant role in the future of this war torn region. The region could happily do without another fundamentalist group trying to establish an Islamic state. Their presence may indeed create havoc and exacerbate problems already existing both between Islamic groups in the region and with the newly arrived militants. Tensions may also rise between the manipulators and backers of these various groups. Intelligence sources in the Middle East are already questioning whether the region is going to be plunged into another round of power games


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: caucasus; caucasuslist; chechens; energylist; israel; russialist; saudi; terrorwar
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1 posted on 05/30/2002 10:57:52 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Good article on how the house of Saud controls terrorism.
2 posted on 05/30/2002 11:03:14 AM PDT by weikel
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To: swarthyguy
The Saudi role in the peace process would increase to the level of importance that Iran is playing for...

So Israel's getting squeezed between two political and ethnic antagonists who are vying for influence over the palestinians.

the largest reason for the Saudi Arabian aid would be a financial one, namely the necessity for preserving tension in the Near East to artificially support prices in the world petroleum market on a background of a general decline in economic activity

Not news, but bears repeating: The Saudi regime is trying to arrest its decline by acquiring territory. This also directs troublesome, volatile elements --the extremists-- outside it's borders, offering an attractive alternative to insurrection. Imperialism as pressure valve.

3 posted on 05/30/2002 11:35:05 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: *Caucasus_list;*TerrorWar;spar
Index and fyi
4 posted on 05/30/2002 11:48:34 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: tsomer; swarthyguy; mafree; Grampa Dave; LarryLied; Cincinatus' Wife; a_Turk; Turk2
it seems that according to some Russian reports that wherever the oil flows or wherever the Saudi Intelligence service (SOR) directs them to, Wahhabi fundamentalists are settling into their terrorist activities.

They probably had to take more direct control because their collaborator Osama has been taken out.

Wahhabism is the motive for the jehadi grunts. Saudi Arabia, and it's tenuous partner Iran (guess where all those jihadis are moved through), have been managing and directing Osam's and related forces to all places where they can disrupt competitive oil sales, and deter investment by creating "zones of conflict." I don't buy the angle that the locals are against Wahhabism. They may be, but I doubt that's the whole reason for the retreat. On the other hand, I read about some Chechen rebel leader complaining that "radicals" had taken over the cause.

The retreat from Chechnya is due much to pressure of the Russian army. They are retreating to pockets of Georgia (Abkhazia), and Turkey, to set up delaying or preventitive strikes of the Baku-Ceyhan pipelines. Turkey is a central point of a variety of new energy lines, so watch out for new terrorism there under the cover of "Kurdish" rebels, sponsored by Iran.

As for Israel, geopolitically it shouldn't effect oil prices. But the way the West is mentally conditioned, it does. Note how the recent threats of "embargo" raised oil prices, and just the suicide bombings themselves. This is a proven money-making strategy, so expect the Saudis, or elements of them, to push terrorism there.

Interesting the parallel to Hezbo. Hezbo is an Iranian govt. front group. Many located in southern Lebanon, they were the ones lobbing missles into Israel to raise tensions - and world oil prices. More effective than oil cutbacks, and proven profitable.

An excellent article. Hope our "professoriat" gets off there duffs and addresses the issues behind Arafat's claim that he can't control the terror totally because of "international forces." It's oil, state department lying just obscures the truth.

5 posted on 05/30/2002 11:50:48 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: belmont_mark
saudi ping.
6 posted on 05/30/2002 12:08:31 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: *Russia List; *Energy_List; Jeremy Bentham; spar; Don Joe; fire and forget; Stavka2...
Pingski.

Retreat from the southern side of Chechnya reported today here at www.civil.ge. Wonder where they are moving too...

Chechen Fighters Ready to Leave Pankisi

(Tbilisi, May 30, Civil Georgia) - Group of Chechen fighters hiding in Georgia's troubled Pankisi gorge is ready to leave the area, Georgian Deputy State Security Minister Irakli Natsvrishvili told the reporters on May 30.

Security official said that the Georgian side is holding talks with the Chechen fighters as well as with the Russian security service to solve the problem peacefully.

According to the Georgian State Security Minister Valeri Khaburdzania up to 100 Arab and 800 fighters are harboring in Pankisi gorge at the moment.

7 posted on 05/30/2002 12:24:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
No surprise here.
8 posted on 05/30/2002 1:06:20 PM PDT by mafree
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To: gubamyster
Hope you don't mind adding you to my ping list here.
9 posted on 05/30/2002 1:41:25 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Some pro Saudis get their undies in a wad when I refer to these Saudies as Opecker Princes using their petro $'s for terrorism and to keep their oil prices up.

Well, here is something from this article that backs up Grampa Dave:

The largest reason would be the Russian crackdown on the Islamic Fundamentalists in the Caucasus but also that Wahhabism isn't getting the backing of the local population as it had expected. According to seized documents the largest reason for the Saudi Arabian aid would be a financial one, namely the necessity for preserving tension in the Near East to artificially support prices in the world petroleum market on a background of a general decline in economic activity, thus leading to a reduction in oil prices which would undermine also the Saudi economy and which could lead in the long run to social-political crisis in the country. The latter is something that Saudi Arabia is desperate to avoid, although it has already been plagued over the last year with a number of riots organized by groups opposing the Al Saud regime. This would also threaten to undermine Saudi Arabia's influence with the West and risk a geo-strategically disaster for Saudi Arabia and its partners.

Another reason could also be that Saudi Arabia is trying to get a hand in the Middle East peace process area by redirecting Chechen Arabs to these locations. These groups would then be under their direct control and not under the influence of Palestinian public opinion or directly controlled by the PNA.

Saudi Arabia is still an exporter and promoter of Wahhabism, a traditional and fundamentalist form of Islam. The Saudi role in the peace process would increase to the level of importance that Iran is playing for at the moment. By inciting attacks on Israel these groups would most surely create retaliatory reactions from Israel on the countries that are harbouring them and causing possible future violence between these states and Israel. Additionally they could be used as pressure groups against the established governments, especially in Jordan. -------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully one of these days, we will seize documents showing how the Opecker Princes have bought out the enviral organizations and Rat Senators like Little Mullah Da$$hole to prevent drilling for oil in ANWR and other sites to increase our dependence on Opecker Oil!

10 posted on 05/30/2002 2:17:46 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Shermy
No problem. Thanks.
11 posted on 05/30/2002 3:47:10 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Shermy; swarthyguy
The Russkis have pulled the fast one of the century on the fundamentalists. If they get their act together, Saudi Oil and the rest of OPEC will be sitting on vast reserves of $15 oil.

Diplomatically they are in the power seat on everything from the Chechens to those goddamed Albanians. I think we should match them on this side of the planet by sorting out Venezuela, Cuba, and the Chicom influence in SA once and for all.

Amazing how Russia, with the GNP of Portugal, swings such a heavy bat, ain't it?

12 posted on 05/30/2002 4:27:22 PM PDT by Francohio
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To: swarthyguy
BUMP
13 posted on 06/07/2002 12:32:52 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: marron
Thought you might like this one.
14 posted on 10/03/2002 5:39:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: swarthyguy
I assume the reason for withdrawing them is that both the US and Russia are putting pressure on Georgia to do something about them. Since Georgia has no intention of confronting them militarily, since I also assume Georgian statesmen have accounts in Saudi banks, they are instead working with the Saudis to relocate them for a while.

Lebanon is still off limits to US forces. Bad memories.
15 posted on 10/03/2002 7:15:12 PM PDT by marron
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To: Shermy; swarthyguy
I came to the conclusion early on that Al Qaeda, and Bin Ladin, and all of his guerrilla movements from Central Asia to the Philippines, were simply the visible effects of Saudi intel operations.

But as time goes along, and as more information becomes available, the full reality is starting to raise the hair on the back of my neck. Some of our rowdy friends here have been calling for an attack on Riyadh for some time. I am starting to arrive at the same conclusion.

We have been addressing the Saudi connection by simply trying to close subversive bank accounts, which, Saudi banking secrecy being what it is, we will never be able know if we are successful or not. And, anyway, we are talking about Royal banking accounts here. Fat chance closing them without some armed muscle.

The Saudis involved in financing the Wahabis have names we know, and many of them start with "S". In the aftermath of the victory parade in Baghdad, we need to be seizing these people's bank accounts. Oil fields too, if necessary. You know the old saying, to kill a snake, you have to cut off the snake's money.

Those American statesmen who also have Saudi bank accounts need to start preparing for a post Saudi future. Be a shame for retired presidents to have their banking habits made public. Of course, most of them have enough on each other to make sure no one shoots off his mouth. Still, they should be finding another safe haven for their money.
16 posted on 10/03/2002 7:36:29 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
"S"

Mysterious you!

BTW, the Georgians aren't much inclined to sympathize with Russia's pleas to help them maintain their territorial integrity since they have the same problem with Russia in Abkhazia and couple other areas.

They got paid off, for sure. But then the Second Chechen War came, and took on a religious Wahhabi overtone. And that pipeline money is good too.

17 posted on 10/03/2002 8:27:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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