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To: tsomer; swarthyguy; mafree; Grampa Dave; LarryLied; Cincinatus' Wife; a_Turk; Turk2
it seems that according to some Russian reports that wherever the oil flows or wherever the Saudi Intelligence service (SOR) directs them to, Wahhabi fundamentalists are settling into their terrorist activities.

They probably had to take more direct control because their collaborator Osama has been taken out.

Wahhabism is the motive for the jehadi grunts. Saudi Arabia, and it's tenuous partner Iran (guess where all those jihadis are moved through), have been managing and directing Osam's and related forces to all places where they can disrupt competitive oil sales, and deter investment by creating "zones of conflict." I don't buy the angle that the locals are against Wahhabism. They may be, but I doubt that's the whole reason for the retreat. On the other hand, I read about some Chechen rebel leader complaining that "radicals" had taken over the cause.

The retreat from Chechnya is due much to pressure of the Russian army. They are retreating to pockets of Georgia (Abkhazia), and Turkey, to set up delaying or preventitive strikes of the Baku-Ceyhan pipelines. Turkey is a central point of a variety of new energy lines, so watch out for new terrorism there under the cover of "Kurdish" rebels, sponsored by Iran.

As for Israel, geopolitically it shouldn't effect oil prices. But the way the West is mentally conditioned, it does. Note how the recent threats of "embargo" raised oil prices, and just the suicide bombings themselves. This is a proven money-making strategy, so expect the Saudis, or elements of them, to push terrorism there.

Interesting the parallel to Hezbo. Hezbo is an Iranian govt. front group. Many located in southern Lebanon, they were the ones lobbing missles into Israel to raise tensions - and world oil prices. More effective than oil cutbacks, and proven profitable.

An excellent article. Hope our "professoriat" gets off there duffs and addresses the issues behind Arafat's claim that he can't control the terror totally because of "international forces." It's oil, state department lying just obscures the truth.

5 posted on 05/30/2002 11:50:48 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: *Russia List; *Energy_List; Jeremy Bentham; spar; Don Joe; fire and forget; Stavka2...
Pingski.

Retreat from the southern side of Chechnya reported today here at www.civil.ge. Wonder where they are moving too...

Chechen Fighters Ready to Leave Pankisi

(Tbilisi, May 30, Civil Georgia) - Group of Chechen fighters hiding in Georgia's troubled Pankisi gorge is ready to leave the area, Georgian Deputy State Security Minister Irakli Natsvrishvili told the reporters on May 30.

Security official said that the Georgian side is holding talks with the Chechen fighters as well as with the Russian security service to solve the problem peacefully.

According to the Georgian State Security Minister Valeri Khaburdzania up to 100 Arab and 800 fighters are harboring in Pankisi gorge at the moment.

7 posted on 05/30/2002 12:24:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
No surprise here.
8 posted on 05/30/2002 1:06:20 PM PDT by mafree
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To: Shermy
Some pro Saudis get their undies in a wad when I refer to these Saudies as Opecker Princes using their petro $'s for terrorism and to keep their oil prices up.

Well, here is something from this article that backs up Grampa Dave:

The largest reason would be the Russian crackdown on the Islamic Fundamentalists in the Caucasus but also that Wahhabism isn't getting the backing of the local population as it had expected. According to seized documents the largest reason for the Saudi Arabian aid would be a financial one, namely the necessity for preserving tension in the Near East to artificially support prices in the world petroleum market on a background of a general decline in economic activity, thus leading to a reduction in oil prices which would undermine also the Saudi economy and which could lead in the long run to social-political crisis in the country. The latter is something that Saudi Arabia is desperate to avoid, although it has already been plagued over the last year with a number of riots organized by groups opposing the Al Saud regime. This would also threaten to undermine Saudi Arabia's influence with the West and risk a geo-strategically disaster for Saudi Arabia and its partners.

Another reason could also be that Saudi Arabia is trying to get a hand in the Middle East peace process area by redirecting Chechen Arabs to these locations. These groups would then be under their direct control and not under the influence of Palestinian public opinion or directly controlled by the PNA.

Saudi Arabia is still an exporter and promoter of Wahhabism, a traditional and fundamentalist form of Islam. The Saudi role in the peace process would increase to the level of importance that Iran is playing for at the moment. By inciting attacks on Israel these groups would most surely create retaliatory reactions from Israel on the countries that are harbouring them and causing possible future violence between these states and Israel. Additionally they could be used as pressure groups against the established governments, especially in Jordan. -------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully one of these days, we will seize documents showing how the Opecker Princes have bought out the enviral organizations and Rat Senators like Little Mullah Da$$hole to prevent drilling for oil in ANWR and other sites to increase our dependence on Opecker Oil!

10 posted on 05/30/2002 2:17:46 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Shermy; swarthyguy
The Russkis have pulled the fast one of the century on the fundamentalists. If they get their act together, Saudi Oil and the rest of OPEC will be sitting on vast reserves of $15 oil.

Diplomatically they are in the power seat on everything from the Chechens to those goddamed Albanians. I think we should match them on this side of the planet by sorting out Venezuela, Cuba, and the Chicom influence in SA once and for all.

Amazing how Russia, with the GNP of Portugal, swings such a heavy bat, ain't it?

12 posted on 05/30/2002 4:27:22 PM PDT by Francohio
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