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Potential oil supply refill?
Washington Times ^ | 5/29/02 | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 05/28/2002 11:32:25 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On April 16, Newsday, the Long Island newspaper, published a startling report that old oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico were somehow being refilled. That is, new oil was being discovered in fields where it previously had not existed.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; energylist; thomasgold
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1 posted on 05/28/2002 11:32:25 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: *energy_list

2 posted on 05/28/2002 11:34:27 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
Thank you. I find this significant.
3 posted on 05/28/2002 11:41:04 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: kattracks
It's undeniable that coal is from dead plants and animals because you can see their fossilized remains in the coal. It is also undeniable that some natural gas is not of biological origin as there are some gas deposits that are rich in helium. It is also true, that if you mix water and coal and bake it, you can get oil. Crude oil might be a mix of both biological and inorganic sources.
4 posted on 05/28/2002 11:41:54 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue;blam;Ernest_at_the_Beach
There was an article on FR about a new theory on oil not too long ago. Maybe someone with better archives than I can dig it up. I will look through my stuff.
5 posted on 05/28/2002 11:47:06 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
I was looking for the same thing Scientist stirs the cauldron: oil, he says, is renewable
6 posted on 05/28/2002 11:50:39 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
That's the one. Great minds think alike?
7 posted on 05/28/2002 11:54:25 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Here is the Gold website click here


8 posted on 05/29/2002 12:08:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: kattracks
There is an extant theory that holds that the earth's mantle is a gigantic reactor that stores and releases methane captured in the formation of the planet. That methane is then consumed by subsurface bacteria that excrete long chain hydrocarbons. In short, the theory states that the earth produces oil continuously. A number of drilling experiments have apparently confirmed the hypothesis. I am sorry, but I don't remember the name of the scientist who first proposed it.
9 posted on 05/29/2002 12:23:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Gold has a book "The Deep Hot Bioshpere" but I don't know if the theory you referenced is his!
10 posted on 05/29/2002 12:27:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That's the guy! Great stuff! I love it when nature proves that no matter how much we think we know, there is always more to learn.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 12:40:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: kattracks, capitan_refugio, Dog Gone
Great catch!

It's about time a major columnist writes about the Gold Theory of Hydrocarbon Formation.

The jury's still out on this, of course, but there is more evidence for oil replenishment than for several other late-20th Century scientific theories, such as species extinctions and global warming.

A nit, which does not in any way discredit the author's otherwise excellent article: All the oil discovered to date has been within the earth's crust. The core, last I checked, is too far down and too hot to reach with a conventional drill bit. Consequently, it's unlikely to be explored except in the realm of SciFi in the near future.

12 posted on 05/29/2002 12:41:19 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Carry_Okie
Well the question does need to be asked, why would we expect all or even most of the earth's carbon and hydrogen to be at the surface? It's not like anyone dug down, say, even a hundred miles and found none.
13 posted on 05/29/2002 1:26:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Carry_Okie
That methane is then consumed by subsurface bacteria that excrete long chain hydrocarbons.

But then where does all the excess hydrogen go? Why aren't we seeing a lot of free hydrogen in gas wells? (It would be interesting, perhaps, to feed some of this bacteria to cows. Instead of methane, they produce gasoline for the farm tractors. Cool. Don't smoke in the barn!)

14 posted on 05/29/2002 1:32:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: logician2u
bump for later reading...thte Lord provides continuously. Oh ye greenies of little faith.
15 posted on 05/29/2002 1:37:33 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: staytrue
Crude oil might be a mix of both biological and inorganic sources

You are way ahead of those that say it can only be one or the other. They are close-minded.

16 posted on 05/29/2002 1:46:46 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: kattracks;all
Here's what I have from earlier links:

The world has more oil not less

The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth
Thomas Gold
U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993

PETROLEUM RESERVES EVALUATED WITH MODERN PETROLEUM SCIENCE

Another Washington Post article here

Oil Fields' Free Refill - More oil than we thought (maybe)

Note especially that last link... and ponder if this were, say only partially true- even 50%- what a difference it would make.


17 posted on 05/29/2002 1:49:41 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: kattracks
The Stone Age did not end for lack of stones- and when the oil age ends it will not be for lack of oil.

In 1914, the US Bureau of Mines estimated that there were only 10 years worth of oil left in the world at their then rate of consumption. In 1939 the Dep't of the Interior projected that oil would only last another 13 years and in 1951 it was again projected that oil would only last another 13 years.

In 1955 we had 35 years of oil reserves left based on that year's level of consumption but by 2000 we had around 40 years left even though our consumption has increased dramatically in that same time period. So we use more, yet we have more. Furthermore, every time the price of oil goes up, our known reserves increase- not because people suddenly don't use as much but because, like this article says, it becomes more profitable to find more oil.

This phenomenom has been observed not just with oil, but with almost ALL resources- natural gas, coal, metals and even precious metals. It seems common sense at first glance to say "we will soon run out of things at this rate"- it seems intuitive. But this has never been the case and simple economic principles say that this will not be the case.

The Earth and its peopled crust is not about to run out of energy- not anytime soon. In Lomborg's "Skeptical Environmentalist" he discusses the fact that there is only about 100 years of uranium 235 left to fuel nuclear reactors. But we also know how to use fast breeder reactors to convert uranium 238 (of which we have an abundance) into plutonium 239 which in turn can be used to fuel new reactors. It's an odd process because the fast breeder reactor actually produces more fuel than it uses. If we were forced to use such reactors- we would only have enough uranium 238 to supply us with energy for the next 14,000 years.

And as far as oil goes- with our oil thirst and technology driving the search for more we are looking at more sources- for example "oil from shale" (which would increase our supply to another 250 years), he extropolates that we actually have enough oil for another 5,000 years. Yep, 5,000 years! This is why Lomborg's book is a recommended aquisition and addition to your required reading list and also why the lefties hate it so much. Imagine the fun you can have with the doomsayers and just the look on their faces when they say "we'll run out of oil soon" and you counter with "yeah if 5,000 years is soon, I suppose we will".

18 posted on 05/29/2002 1:53:03 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: kattracks
"However, as hydrocarbons are found at extreme depths, this explanation becomes increasingly implausible."

One thing not normally taken into account is the vertical movement of the Earth's crust over geologic time.

The fact that we are now possibly looking at the remains of a city in 2000 feet of water off the west coast of Cuba and the cave full of stalagtites Jaques Cousteau found 200 feet under water in the Gulf tend to reinforce it. Stalagtites do not form under water.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 1:57:59 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: kattracks
Although it is not yet known whether this is a worldwide phenomenon or commercially important, the new discovery suggests there may be far more oil and gas within the Earth's core than previously thought.

LOL! LOL! LOL!

Gee, what a shock, the ecco-wacko chicken littles are probably dead wrong again.

20 posted on 05/29/2002 3:59:02 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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