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If Bush does not attack Iraq before 2004 his a One-Term President
05-28-2002 | brianbaldwin@hotmail.com

Posted on 05/28/2002 9:55:34 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin

If Bush does not attack Iraq in the coming months prior to 2004, even though that seems far away at this time and Bush comfortably "fat and lazy" in the "polls", something is going to happen to change all of that. I can guarantee that he will be a one-term President if he makes this mistake. The Bushies have no idea just how real the undercurrent of anger with Bush is within the grass roots of the street fighters of the right, those who are somewhat still, holding back, but letting Bush know with some chosen words, that real shadows in the fire can come after him just like they did Clinton. I can also guarantee that if Bush fails regarding this, the Enemies of Democracy will be empowered by this lack of will on the part of Bush, who quite frankly is waffling the conservative agenda domestically and basically really hasn't accomplished much in protecting our borders. However, there is very evident reason to believe that the US intelligence and military is arguing for such a war, and the only, only excuse Bush would have in not engaging is if the evidence was clear that we are not ready militarily to engage at this time or any time in the near future. This is also a possibility, and the right is ready to face reality and, if this is the truth, then we do not attack because it would not make sense. When you are ready, then go, and don't stop until you win. I guess that is what we were suppose to have learned from our mistakes in the past.

Quite frankly, I do not "want" to go to war with Iraq. No, I do not. In some respects, the Baath Party of Iraq is progressive, and currently in Iraq the Communists are trying to overthrow the current regime and they are as much, in fact, more of a threat to peace than the current regime. If they ran Iraq, there is no doubt they would have engaged in much worse terror than Mr. Saddam has upon his own people and neighbors. I also respect the Iraqi culture and people, and have always wanted to go there, the home of Babylon. However, it is too late for Mr. Saddam Hussein, now going on 66 years old but very healthy - it is not his health nor his mind that is weak despite his crimes - and there were opportunities for him to take exile, but strategically it would be better to force a particular government there however un-democratic and imperialistic it may sound than to allow the Baath to be replaced with the Communist Party of Iraq. Bush could be a "last chance" to remove Saddam or we will end up with another Castro who will outlast 6 US Presidents or more and eventually be turned into a cult hero of sorts by the leftist media up until the time they think they can get a communist in there in his place. And the Baath, in some sort of new form, can indeed become a later ally perhaps against China. Many had hopes that Iran would come about, and what a mighty and dynamic ally they would indeed be, however it looks like it will take too long, so a short term change of government in Iraq which could led to a new strategic friend there, especially in the Iraqi people, would be a great benefit. It sounds horrible to say, that we would have to "kill them to make them our friends". Again, I would not want to see even one Iraqi citizen killed if at all possible, because first of all American soldiers will also die and mothers will cry for them, and again, I would rather see any other avenue than war with Iraq. This would not be like the campaign in Afghanistan. It is different in Iraq. I respect Iraq as a national people a lot, and no way want this war. I do not want this war - not a war against the Iraqi people if at every chance it can be avoided, but a war against terrorism and elements of the current regime, yes. Also, I think the U.K., be it Labour or Conservative, but I think Mr. Blair is doing a good job internationally, can assist in regards to what and the how of Iraq.

Our forefathers of Babylon were great people in history, forefathers of mankind despite all the horrors of the ancient times. Also, it is imperative that we understand ourselves, where we came from. All lives are different, and there are good and bad everywhere. In every place, there are women, and children. But when the day of tragedy comes, it is time to say to those who harbor the enemy, let them listen to the drone of planes at night.

Babylon of the past is located in Iraq of today. I always wanted to go there and walk among the ruins. Jews were taken as slaves here, but also these ancestors of men had ancient tales that are part of our inner psyche of man. The ancestors of men put to record in old Babylonian the following scattered text:

Before the day of tragedy, the old King had put many of our angry gods into prison. Then the enemy came from the land of locust. They struck the city wall along the hill of skulls, and the wall fell down. They threw the skulls of our ancestors at our soldiers, they desecrated the stones of our tombs. And then the next day, the priests said a day of tragedy has come. An evil wind has come from the East. They told Harran, the new King, that he must now act. Harran put on a fine robe, the new King he was. He remembered that his father had put our angry gods into prison. Harran put on white linen, and oils, and jewels, and then went to the deep dungeon. There, before the door of this dungeon, he offered lambs, and incense. He opened the door. The imprisoned gods came forth from the graves and to the very door of the dungeon. Harran looked into the darkness of that place, and said to the gods, "The evil winds have come but now you have been let lose by me. Eat these offerings, and gain strength. Then go forth, towards the evil winds. Do what you may to our enemies". The gods partook the food, and then they took to the sky towards the evil winds. "Look at the wall of our city, see what our enemies have done!" cried out Harran. The angry gods looked down at the fallen wall, which lay in rubble. They flew towards the evil winds. "Look what they have done to the stones of our tombs!" cried out Harran. The angry gods looked down at the stones of the tombs, which were desecrated. The angry gods asked Harran, "Will you cry for them when we do our bidding to your enemies? Many will die." It is said that one should not let the angry gods look directly into ones eyes. But this King was brave. Harran told the angry gods to look at his eyes. Tomb stone eyes never cry, Harran told the angry gods. The angry gods flew forth at great speed. They went forth and cast down fire upon the enemy. The angry gods returned to the King, and told him, "We are finished, but now you must go to that place and walk into the Valley of Death, and look upon your enemies which we have destroyed with fire". The King tied his loin cloth, and then went to the Valley of Death. He walked through the fearful place. About him the enemy was burned with fire, their ghosts lurked about. But the King had no fear. He walked through the Valley of Death, without fear of evil, nor did he cry. He told the dead, "Tomb stone eyes never cry. I have let lose the angry gods. But I shall fear no evil. For the thundering is my companion. For this great one is of a distant place. And I have become a distant man."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ancienttales; babylon; bush; iraq; war
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To: Pylot
He is mediocre, he is wasting time compromising with the Democrats, when he could be hammering them on the military spending. We should be building new carriers, subs, upgrading nukes, he is building no new surface ships, decommissioning workable ones, and selling out our nuclear superiority. He is continuing the long slide to parity, started by his predecessor.
41 posted on 05/30/2002 10:20:09 PM PDT by jeremiah
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To: jeremiah
He is mediocre

Gee and I thought he was president. Tell me, what high position do you hold? It sure can't be in political analysis.

42 posted on 05/30/2002 10:25:45 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I have the high position of Citizen. I am charged with oversight of my servants(politician), and criticizing them as I see fit. In GWs case, it is easy. He is a compromiser, not a leader. He is only a Republican because of birth, if he were born of a Kennedy, he would be a Democrat. He is a phony Texan, and a phony conservative. I did not like the way he handled the Florida affair, and that distaste continues today for his handling of the "War on Terror". There is no way we can fight a war outside the country, while the armies of this foe, are inside attacking the infrastructure. All he needed do, was close the borders(using troops) maybe even using guns WITH BULLETS. Expel all foreign visitors, that includes ALL. Anyone not a citizen, can leave and if they want to get back in, can reapply. Run background checks on any applying to get in, and of course use racial profiling to help look for signs of trouble. Anything less, is window dressing.
43 posted on 05/31/2002 6:07:47 AM PDT by jeremiah
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To: 7thson
Usuma (or however it is being spelled this week),......
walking dead men and they know it.

That was one of the weaker "Elvis Bin Laden" posts,
but you still get the award, since it's the first attemptf today.


44 posted on 05/31/2002 6:49:18 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Geez, another pointless hate-baiting screed.

I'll bet you talk to yourself in the bathroom mirror.

45 posted on 06/06/2002 7:56:12 PM PDT by Deb
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