Why Gun Control Will Win

The people who run the political machine known as the “Gun Control Movement”, made up of such organizations as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence, the Violence Policy Center, and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, to name a few, are reasonable people. They see the world through their reasonable eyes. They dress well, they are the epitome of Corporate America. They are head and shoulders above the rest of the population and they know it. They have an idea, an ideal, if you will. They are idealists.

Gun Control has its own reality, made up from some strong-willed people who desire to shape, to mold, and if you will, control the future. Their stated goal is to “level the playing field” by artificially introducing limitations on human nature. Much like protective tariffs and free trade agreements, Gun Control seeks to manipulate a variable. The variable they seek to manipulate is firearms, eliminating them altogether from American society. A consequence of this manipulation is an effect on other variables, such as the behavior of human beings, crime, and public perception.

Or is it the other way around? In their goal to manipulate, or control, firearms, they must first manipulate public opinion, which they have, effectively putting the mainstream media “in their camp” so to speak. The people in high places who decide what is newsworthy and what is not, are in agreement with the Gun Control people. This is why only middle-class school shootings are national news, and the nightly murders in the projects where those who have guns illegally are killing the unarmed ones, where Gun Control is already “working”, are not.

So it is established that we the public will get only the news that those who know better than us (so they say) want us to have. This is blatant manipulation of public perception.

But the real reason why Gun Control will win is because the public doesn’t care. They don’t care enough to find out what’s being done. Many members of the non-shooting public aren’t even aware that you cannot buy high-capacity magazines anymore, or why. They find out and sure, at the moment they are outraged, and they resolve to do lots of good political things. But somehow these never come to be and they go back to being complacent, beaten down by a “you can’t fight the system” attitude.

Gun Control will win because people want to be told what to do. They don’t want the responsibility, and they don’t want the potential to be wrong, because that’s hard on their self-esteem. So instead they do the “just doing what I’m told” or “Doing what I’m supposed to” or “Doing the Right Thing”, instead of thinking about the very actions they are being manipulated into.

Gun Control will win, because people have lost the ability to think for themselves. Those in the Violence Policy Centers use the least-capable of the public as examples, followed up by a rhetorical question such as “would you LET this person own a gun?”

Gun Control people are reasonable people asking reasonable questions, and their reasonable actions do not raise any alarm bells except with those whom they label as “survivalist crazies waiting for the world to blow up”. But behind all this reasonableness is a very real, very emotional need for control.

Gun Control people are control freaks. Inside their 20 pages of “reasonableness” they boil it down to “Would you have guns in the hands of people you cannot control?”

That’s it in a nutshell. Gun Control people want to be in power. They recognize the firearm as the ultimate personal power. They and they alone feel qualified in defining and deciding who should be armed and who should not. The fact that most of them come from parts of the country where bad things Just Don’t Happen should be an indicator of their mindset.

Theirs is a simple mindset: Remove the Tool of the Problem, thus you Remove The Problem. This thinking is a fallacy, but it is a fallacy that requires thought and reason to see through. Thought and reason that most of the general public will not invest because honestly they do not care.

Those of us who care about our constitutional rights, who have the U.S. Constitution framed up on our wall along with a bright, well-kept U.S flag are in the minority.

War kills good people. Because only good people will sacrifice themselves for their principles, such as freedom. The weasels will dodge and conveniently be unavailable when it comes time for them to serve. So the good people die and all we have left are the weasels, and they breed.

So, with enough wars, soon we have a nation full of weasels, eating at us from the inside. Gun Control people are those weasels, and they’re winning. Because they’re reasonable, and those of us who want to think for ourselves, are not. Because those of us who are passionate, patriotic, and driven to uphold the ideals of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton, Burr, Madison, Adams, and others who helped shape our unique government, are not considered reasonable. Of course, none of the men previously mentioned were considered reasonable either. The King’s men were reasonable. They did as they were told. They tried to maintain the status quo because the status quo benefitted them. Just as the status quo benefits the Gun Control people.

So Gun Control will win. Not because they are right, but because they appear reasonable. Their scare tactics are so effective, their rhetoric so insidious, that anyone who dares oppose either one appears to be “unbalanced” or “unreasonable.”

Human beings are by nature neither controllable nor reasonable. Those in Gun Control know this, but they do not see controlling people as the goal. They see the path of human manipulation as not a pathway to a door, but an idealistic journey leading ever towards the horizon. Like lemmings, they continue on toward the end, some of them fully realizing that there IS an end and it is suicide. But by the time our society reaches that end, those in Gun Control now will have already made their money off of the fear of the public, the activists will have been able to retire, and the fate of the nation will no longer be a care of theirs, because their unique “status” will afford them the protection they feel they need from the ignorant masses.

Gun Control people are good salesmen and debaters. But it does not make what they stand for right, safe, patriotic, or any good for our society.

By “We” I mean all the good people left. Then the nation will be made up of only two kinds of people: weasels and slaves.

What you need to tell these people, when you talk to them, is that fascist governments are harmful to children, and that private ownership of firearms is the only workable way of preventing fascist governments. If they claim not to comprehend what you mean about fascist governments and children, tell them to purchase a copy of Anne Frank's diary and read it.

Just think of how hard the revolution would have been if the Brits would have outlawed firearms.

The first shots of the American Revolution started over gun control when the British tried to seize powder and cannon from the Colonists.

Good web site for people that are already on your side, but if you don't mind a critique, not good for winning over the skeptic. The BEST flashmovie of your group for convincing the unconvinced is the first one... "outdated" Without the gunshot at the end.

Seriously, shock tactics are not the way. And anti-government-tyranny arguments do not convice the fearful. This is a varsity-level gun philosophy... Not the entry level argument. They really think it sounds "outdated" and nutty to think of defending yourself against the government with guns. It just isn't going to win votes.

Revolvers in the hands of a woman home alone, with a creep crawling through her window, does win votes. Both with the woman, and her husband.

Revolvers in the hands of a woman walking to her car in a deserted parking garage, does win votes. Both with the woman, and her husband.

We have to give them ideas they can hold on to. Real people defending themselves agains real threats they have seen with their own eyes. Not imagined revolutions against imagined tyrannies. Just MHO...

I guess if the truth is scary, it is. There's nothing about imagined revolutions at all. It's just history. I try not to run away from facts.

I understand why you think self defense stories might be more effective, and they can be helpful, but they are just part of the equation. Everyone has their own 'trigger' (no pun intended) that makes them realize why the 2nd amendment is a good thing. For some it's self defense, for others it's hunting, and for some, like me, it's being told for the first time that the 2nd amendment was intended to protect against government tyranny as well as foreign invasion. That's not really being taught in school. Having the intents of the founding fathers be known is helpful. And as ugly as it is, the results of gun confiscation did really happen, and the shock can wake someone up. I know it helped me.

Like I said, there are many different arguments that can be used, and just one won't win over every single person. It takes finding the right one to counter all the lies a person has been told to finally turn on the lightbulb of "oh, that's why the second amendment is important".

Understood. And I am not advocating running from the facts, or abandoning the argument... By all means, search for the "trigger" argument that will win each and every heart and mind you can reach... Heh heh... I just know that the tyranny argument freaks a lot of them out, and should be used very carefully... as you did in your answer, using personal experience. Go team... play smart, and win.

I mean, anyone who wouldn't do ANYTHING to save "just one child" must be a monster, right?

As you obviously understand, the "just one life" argument is the most hypocritical ploy in American politics today. For a few examples around this argument, see I gave at the office, the check’s in the mail, and if it saves just one life......

WFTR
Bill

Gun Control people are control freaks.

Thank you. Gun control people are the same people who think we are too stupid to control our own destinies. Gun control people are those who think that the 'common' man is ill fit to take responsibility for his own safety, they are those who think we need a government ruled by liberal 'elite' types who for some unknown reason have been granted some wisdom which enables them to decide what is good for others. The same type who would dictate endless regulations as to what they think is good for society, those who will bring a totalitarian government (ruled of course by those who 'know what is good for everybody else') down on us every time.

I'm going to say it again.........there is nothing 'liberal' about these people. Nothing in the least.

These are the same people who brought you political correctness (or suppression of free speech), the Constitution subverting Clintons, a group of people who think that liberal judges should rule by fiat, the rule of law be damned.

Recent trends have been going against gun control and in favor of a constitutional right to own a firearm.

ABC News.com Poll. Latest: May 8-12, 2002. N=1,028 adults nationwide. Field work by TNS Intersearch. MoE ± 3.
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"Do you favor or oppose stricter gun control laws in this country?"
		Favor	Oppose	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	5/02	57	37	6
	1/01	59	39	2
	5/00	67	30	3
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"The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution reads as follows: 'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' In your opinion does this guarantee only the right of the states to maintain militias, or also the right of individuals to own guns?"
			%
	States to maintain militias		20
	Individuals to own guns		73
	No opinion		8

They really don't come out and say, "We want to rule over you, support us. Why, oh well, because we're a bunch of control freaks, that's why"

.........No, it's always, 'We want to provide security for you', or 'We are trying to liberate you from this that or the other'.

Seriously, people should take a really hard look at what so-called liberals say and do in America. They are as opposed to American ideals of free determination as any Hitler or Stalin you ever may meet.

That may convince FReepers that you are right... but the key to winning gun control is convincing THEM we are right, isn't it?

Without sounding belligerent, no.

While I think that there is always a good reason to present the argument to people, in the end we may not have the luxury of having the 'people' agree with us (embodied of course by some fascist slop personifying him/ herself as the will of the people)

I don't mean to sound bellicose, but to some, the only thing they are going to understand is that if they attempt an overt subjugation of the Constitution, such as some thing that says we have to show up at some predetermined place to surrender our Second Amendment right, it will be a time where we should not care what they say.

I didn't say you were wrong, what I said was I didn't think name-calling and insulting them or calling them Hitler was a method helped the cause, which should be winning their support for our side. I dunno... I have been on a "How to talk to Liberals about Guns 101" bandwagon tonight, without really picking up anyone who wants to talk about it. Perhaps I will just go to bed ;~D No harm, No foul.

Dr. Death

According to the US Dept of Health and Human Services:
There are 700,000 Physicians in the US. There are 120,000 Accidental Deaths caused by Physicians each year. So there are 0.171 Deaths per physician.

According to the NRA and FBI:
There are 80,000,000 Gun Owners in the US. There are 1,500 Accidental Deaths by a Gun including all ages. So there are 0.0000188 Accidental Deaths caused by each gun owner.

Therefore, you are more than 9,000 times as likely to be Accidently killed by your doctor as by a gun owner.

Not everybody has a gun but everybody has at least one doctor.

Please notify your friends of this problem so we can stop it before more people are hurt. Statistics on Lawyers are being withheld for security reasons.

I didn't say you were wrong, what I said was I didn't think name-calling and insulting them or calling them Hitler was a method helped the cause

Do I think the leaders of these movements fit the bill?.........Yes, I do. In spades.

........I said I agree with your idea of bringing a message to that large body of what I'll call misinformed...........however, do I feel compelled to 'convince' or 'explain' to some budding totalitarian why he shouldn't trample on my rights?

No.

The people who write the gun control arguments in the newspapers, the people who write endless politically correct diatribes, they know what they are doing. Talk to them.

'Well, the Constitution is really old, and times are different. We need to just ignore it, it's okay. Some liberal on the Supreme Court has interpreted that 'the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon' really means something else.

Reason with the reasonable, but waste no time with those would trash the supreme law of the land because it 'feels good'.

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