Posted on 05/22/2002 5:13:11 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:34:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
On a day when opposing political parties chose candidates to face off against each other in November, Republican leader Elsie Hillman convened a bipartisan meeting at Chatham College yesterday called One Voice for Choice.
It was probably the most high-powered gathering of abortion rights advocates Pittsburgh has ever seen. Among them were Kate Michelman, president of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL); Gloria Feldt, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America; Susan Cullman, co-chairwoman of the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition; and Pat Carpenter, executive director of The WISH List -- the political action committee that does fund raising for pro-choice Republicans.
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This statement really bothers me. Just when I wanted to return back to the RP I read crap like this. These women do not speak for me. Is this the new face of the GOP?
Elsie Hillman is big time GOP with alot of clout and money. I'm very dissapointed in her presence at this event. Come November who will she be voting for for Gov?
It will be if there are not enough Pro-life members to shout them down. We are doing our best but it seems a lot of people have deserted us for being less then 100% pure.
They do a lot of criticizing but never seem to want to help the party stand up and fight.
a.cricket
Folks should continue to stand in the gap and offer options to women...but for the sake of the greater good...i.e. keeping America from falling into the hands of the Democratic Socialist...the abortion issue should be deleted from the agenda.
For eons, if a woman wanted an abortion, whether it was legal or not, she got one...no one can stop a woman from killing her unwanted baby.
Well said.
Gee. That many.
"...at Hillman's invitation for a dose of reality and a shot of adrenaline."
read: "........for a heavy dose of propaganda, outright lies, and cheerleading for the right to rip little guys limb from limb inside their mamas."
I call 'em like I see 'em, folks. F**k these people.
To quote gcruse, "Well said."
This is the one statement by these death-mongers that I agree with. And it is the reason abortion cannot be "taken off the table." Abnegation of responsibility for our children and the condoning of infanticide is a stone age morality unworthy of civilized people.
To those who would argue that there can be no compromise on the abortion issue, I would suggest that given the status quo (any adult can get an abortion for just about any reason at just about any stage of gestation) just about anything would be an improvement. Further, I would posit that Republicans need to recognize that a very large number of voters have a fear--irrational, but very real--that if the Republicans got a chance they would ban all abortions overnight. Since these people are voting against Republicans becuase of a fear that the Republicans would do something they couldn't do even if they wanted, Republicans should work to win their votes by allaying their fears.
If Republicans were smart, they would focus on finding agreement with the majority of Americans who would favor some restrictions on abortions, while agreeing to disagree about more severe restrictions and acknowledging that in the current political climate voting for any abortion restrictions which did not have broad public support would be political suicide.
The Republican seemed to pick up on this strategy with "partial birth abortion" ban. While I disagree with the efforts to impose such a ban by federal statute (since other types of homicide fall under state jurisdiction) the Republicans were able to pick up broad-based support for them. I just wish the Republicans could use this strategy more generally--it works wonders.
So what you're saying is... Slavery was legal...it should not have been an issue for political parties in the US prior to the Civil War. - - When moral issues can't be represented by parties to our government, then we'll have a completely amoral society (which we just about have, anyway).
Logically speaking, if abortion is forced on the unwashed masses...instead of being a "choice"...then it should be in the political arena.
Our society is amoral not because of abortions (which have always been a part of our society) - but because we have been conditioned to be faithful to our politicians and politics - instead of trusting in God.
People like you - want to trust politicians to make moral changes that they will never be able to make...because those moral changes can't be legislated, those moral changes begin in the heart, and those moral changes are placed there through grace.
I certainly don't trust politicians to do anything at all. However, politicians will make moral choices when moral people force them to do so (in a democracy, such as ours). I agree with you in that we do live in an amoral society because people have turned away from God. But it is incumbent on those who have not turned away from God to vote in such as way as to reflect moral choice, and to influence politicians to make moral choices. I believe in God. I believe that things like partial birth abortions are just pure baby-killing. To me, voting against an abomination like that is far more important than the tax rate or the state of the economy. It is the very least I can do to vote that way. Those who believe in God and that abortion is murder should not flinch from the fight to try to save babies. In the same way, many Christians of all stripes fought to end slavery, though the politicians in general at that time couldn't find the moral strength to do so.
This is as stupid a statement as has been made on an abortion thread as any I've seen. Are you Peter Singers sister?
Read the Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version where you will see that the abortion is known as an ancient remedy for an unwanted pregnancy.
In fact, it doesn't work so well that it has existed througout all of recorded history (read Thomas Sowell, for example) right down to the present day (e.g, Sudan).
Hardly surprising. All forms of homicide have been around for a long time. Virtually all crime has been around for a long time. Pedophilia has been around for a long time, and there is nothing we can do to stop it from ever occurring. Does that mean it should be legal? After all, it is strictly a matter of religion based morality, and has been legal in many cultures.
Unfortunately, this statement cannot be lived up to.
With our gov't donating millions upon millions of tax dollars to protect abortion clinics, while placing bans on the free speach and peacful protest of pro-lifers it will continue to be a political issue - even if the Republicans remove pro-life from its platform.
The only way for abortion to cease being a political issue is for the federal gov't to stop funding and recind all laws, for and against abortion, and let it fend for itself!
Char
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