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CIA Shakeup
ABC News ^ | May 17 | Terry Moran, Linda Douglass, Brian Ross and Lisa Sylvester

Posted on 05/17/2002 9:04:21 AM PDT by nimc

Key CIA Task Force Leader Moved

May 17 — As the Bush administration defends its actions over information it had on possible terror attacks before Sept. 11, ABCNEWS has learned that the chief of the CIA's counterterrorism center has been moved out.

The center, led by Cofer Black for the past three years, is the lead CIA team tasked with finding indicted terrorist Osama bin Laden.

Sources tell ABCNEWS' Claire Shipman there will be more changes coming among the top figures in the CIA but President Bush still has faith in both George Tenet, the head of the CIA, and FBI director Robert Mueller.

The White House acknowledged this week that it had received intelligence in the weeks before Sept. 11 that terrorists might try to hijack U.S. jets, but said the information was too vague to act upon.

At a briefing with reporters Thursday, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice said the threats did not mention a specific time, place or mode of attack, and officials believed any such attack would be a "traditional" hijacking — not the Sept. 11 suicide mission that would turn passenger jets into missiles.

"It is always a question of how good the information is and whether putting the information out is a responsible thing to do," Rice said. "You would have risked shutting down the American civil aviation system with such generalized information. You would have to think five, six, seven times about that, very, very hard."

Rice stressed that there was no way anyone could have predicted that terrorists would use hijacked planes as missiles and attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Had this president been aware that terrorists would have used airplanes as missiles and attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, he would have acted on it," Rice said.

However, one man whose wife died on one of the planes crashed into the World Trade Center, Stephen Push, the co-founder of Families of Sept. 11, said he and many members of his organization are having a hard time accepting that explanation.

"I was very disturbed when I saw Condoleeza Rice's press conference yesterday," Push said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. "In 1995, al Qaeda confessed that they were planning to slam planes into the United States. In July an FBI agent in Phoenix was concerned about the number of Middle Eastern men who were coming to the United States learning how to fly and they were concerned that they were connected with [Osama] bin Laden. In August, an FBI agent in Minneapolis was concerned that Zacarias Moussaoui was learning to use planes in this manner. … Did the president not have this information in front of him when he made decisions?"

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; coferblack; espionagelist; leadermoved; taskforce
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To: nimc
Listening to a snippet of GWB's speech on Rush a moment ago...GWB does not sounds happy. Maybe he'll finally take off the gloves and start confronting the Dems.
21 posted on 05/17/2002 9:25:09 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: syriacus
The American public was defrauded by both the CIA and the FBI. That's why there should be laws protecting citizens against the government. The CIA and the FBI contracted to obtain information and protect all American citizens. Their invoice was $30 billion. They withheld that protection. We should seek the return of that $30 billion from the individuals employed by those agencies.
22 posted on 05/17/2002 9:38:43 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: Bonaparte
All Bush had to do was close all the airports and air fields, permanently ground all civilian American aircraft and deny airspace entry to all foreign aircraft. A piece of cake.

Not true. He could have forbid darked skinned males with arab sounding names or passports from boarding planes bound for US air space. He then could have spent the rest of his tenure fighting the ACLU and the leftest news media, which would have immobilized his administration and ensured a one term presidencey.

23 posted on 05/17/2002 9:41:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: hobbes1
"Targets were named."

Yes, I know they were. A number of them. How many were red herrings, tossed to our intelligence people to decoy them and divert their efforts from the intended targets? How many flights, domestic and foreign, come into a place like NYC in one day? What would it take to ensure the security of each and every one of these flights? How well tolerated would such measures be by the passengers and businesses who rely on air travel to conduct their affairs? Questions like these are not addressed by Mr. Push.

I have to agree with Cheney -- there is no substitute for destroying the enemy, and nobody ever won a war by following a strictly defensive strategy.

24 posted on 05/17/2002 9:44:35 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Actually, the information was probably not thoroughly investigated. The Administration IIRC , around 95, was in the beginning of the Paula Jones flap....NO time for terrorists.
25 posted on 05/17/2002 9:46:33 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Labyrinthos
I know you realize I was being facetious in post 11.
26 posted on 05/17/2002 9:46:41 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: SteamshipTime
"Alas, the average American thinks back no further than who won the WWF last month."

Hell, the average American watches West Wing and still thinks the DNC is in the White House. This may just backfire on the Demmos.

27 posted on 05/17/2002 9:46:56 AM PDT by spald
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To: Bonaparte
If the Info had been thouroughly vetted, perhaps in 96,the administration would have snapped up Bin Laden when the Sudan offered him up....
28 posted on 05/17/2002 9:52:58 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: *Espionage_list
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
29 posted on 05/17/2002 9:54:20 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: syriacus
Now they blame him for not taking enough decisive steps to prevent 9/11.

They will get results, but not what they expect. Green light for national security.

30 posted on 05/17/2002 9:56:48 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: nimc
"In 1995, al Qaeda confessed that they were planning to slam planes into the United States." [said Mr. Push]

Excuse me, WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 1995!?!?!?!? All roads lead to Rome, in this case, all evidence points to the PREVIOUS administration!

31 posted on 05/17/2002 10:04:47 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: hobbes1
" The Administration IIRC , around 95, was in the beginning of the Paula Jones flap....NO time for terrorists."

I know you're not suggesting that the Jones suit, which went on for years, tied up Clinton and all the resources of the executive branch, including the intelligence agencies. Bennett and his staff are the ones who had to put their time into that project, not Clinton -- and even Bennett somehow found the time to squeeze in lots and lots of work for other clients. All Clinton had to do was consult with his attorneys on an occasional basis and show up for one or two depositions. And the intelligence agencies weren't even involved in any of that. Go back and check Clinton's daily itineraries in 1995. They did not read --

    7 AM: Meeting with Paul Jones attorneys. Cancel golf with V. Jordan.
    8 AM: Jones deposition. Cancel Lewinsky BJ.
    9 AM: Phone consultation re Jones suit. Cancel fundraiser.
    10 AM: Submit Jones affadavit. Cancel WH sleepover with Latin American drug dealers.
    11 AM: Make televised speech denying Jones matter. Cancel another fundraiser.
    Noon: Court appearance re continuance in Jones matter. Cancel Oval Office fundraising telethon with Gore.
    1 PM: Submit motion re Jones suit. Cancel meeting with Blair.
    And so on, until midnight.

32 posted on 05/17/2002 10:08:48 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
No, Clinton had to have time to actually...Think. Between managing media relations, laundering chinese money, and Fundraising every night of his miserable life.....He never had time to meet with Woolsey when he ran CIA
33 posted on 05/17/2002 10:11:30 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
I agree that it's very likely Clinton missed a golden opportunity to neutralize bin Laden. He probably turned it over in his mind and concluded that it would be way too costly, necessitating that he forego 3 trysts with Lewinsky and as many pizzas.
34 posted on 05/17/2002 10:11:53 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: nimc
tasked with finding indicted terrorist Osama bin Laden.

Another "Elvis Bin Laden" thread award winner!


35 posted on 05/17/2002 10:15:07 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Bonaparte
Of course :-)
36 posted on 05/17/2002 10:15:25 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: hobbes1
Clinton ignored security matters, including terrorist threats, because he wanted to -- not because the Jones suits monopolized his attention.
37 posted on 05/17/2002 10:17:39 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
know you're not suggesting that the Jones suit, which went on for years, tied up Clinton and all the resources of the executive branch, including the intelligence agencies.

Clinton's the one who made the legal proceedings drag on, through his lying and his obstruction.

He may have made only one unwavering (unwaffling?) decision during his presidency... That his legacy was more important than the well-being of his fellow countrymen.

38 posted on 05/17/2002 10:21:13 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: henderson field
Your#22........AND,...The "Brits", NO NOTHING,.....KNOW NOTHING??.........come on.
</sarcasm
39 posted on 05/17/2002 10:21:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: WIMom
Excuse me, WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 1995!?!?!?!?

You're not expecting to win a point with logic are you? You're debating with a liberal. It has to be Bush's fault. It just has to be. So therefore, it is.

40 posted on 05/17/2002 10:21:57 AM PDT by Utopia
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