The Assault on the Boy Scouts of America (May Imprimis)

Imprimis | May02 | Midge Decter

[Clint N. Suhks]

The why are all the Scout Troops that do not want to follow the guidlines regarding homosexuals being told that they are losing their troop charter? If what you say is true then the individual troops should be able to let in whoever they want.

Because there are National policies as well as the possibilities of individual troop membership requirements. There’s no written National policies against ax murderers either but that doesn’t mean the committees to the Council and all the way up to National can’t all or individually be involved.

[KC_for_Freedom]

I also find it interesting that a felony draws a years probation but Jim Dale got banned for life.

I agree "banned for life" is a much harsher punishment. I do not know the individual in this matter, if you do please comment, but it would seem that if scout activities and supporting the scouts and the values of scouting were at all important in this case, then Jim Dale had other choices. ( I assume he is not a big supporter in the Gay agenda, but just got caught up in this for the forgoing observation.)

As far as "morally straight", this term was in use by the Scouts long before it had any conotation with the heterosexual lifestyle. I also believe the scouting movement has long had an unwritten policy that they did not support homosexual activity or the promotion of their lifestyle, so its clear that they have a belief that they do promote. They used to host a website that documented their position, but I tried it and it is not there any more.

From my days as a scout to the current situation, I see the movement being forced to take a proactive stand against sexual abuse. I believe it would have permanently discolored my scouting experience if I had been abused by one of the trusted leadership. (There were many times I was alone with scout counselors and camp counselors where I did not have any assurance of their background.) This is no longer permitted by the current regulations. I wonder what Jim Dale's scout experience was like with his different sexual perspective?

[KC_for_Freedom]

I found the "In support of Values" site. It has grown from a single position paper to a series of postings hoping to show the BSA in a positive way. It can be found by going to scouting.org.

[RonF]

In fact, individual units can set leadership requirements over and above those set by National Council. For example, a unit sponsored by a Catholic Church can require that the unit leader be an active, male, member of that parish. Or, they can refuse someone a leadership position because most of the committee thinks the guy is an asshole and they don't want to deal with him. The former case went to court, when the parents wanted a Muslim as their next Cubmaster and the parish priest didn't. The BSA defended the priest's choice, and won. The latter has never gone to court, but it happens all the time.

[Non-Sequitur]

So they can make those requirements unless or until they get overruled by the Boy Scout leadership?

[VOA]

bump

[Ohioan]

Bump.

See The Boy Scouts Of America & A Leftwing Agenda.

[RonF]

So they can make those requirements unless or until they get overruled by the Boy Scout leadership?

Yes. Which is highly unlikely. It is the sponsoring organization's duty to determine the fitness of a unit's adult leadership, and to check their background, and they are given great latitude to do so.

National sets minimal standards; you must be 21, (I believe, but cannot say for sure) have no felony convictions, have good moral character, and subscribe to a statement of religious philosophy which basically says that you believe in some kind of supernatural authority, although the BSA expressly does not require it's members to belong to any formal religious organization or believe in a Diety.

Of course, "good moral character" admits of many interpretations, hence the current conflict. National Council has made it's call, and SCOTUS has made it stick. It's interesting where National chooses to make such a call, too. For example: a number of people in the USA believe that abortion is immoral, and that an abortionists, being a serial killers, would be much more immoral than a homosexual in a committed relationship with another homosexual. Yet it is perfectly allowable for a unit to have an abortionist as a unit leader, or conversely to exclude an abortionist as a unit leader on the basis of his or her chosen profession.

There is no right to be a Scout leader. It is a privilege, and a responsibility, and a challenging and sometimes fearsome one at that.

[selfdfens]

I, just have a couple of comments. First of all the Boy Scouts are a private organization, they can kick anyone out for any reason they want to, and nobody will ever change that. It is partially funded by the catholic church. This is why its not a question of morallity but of reverance which is number twelve in the scout law. As for if the assistant scoutmaster being dissmissed if he had been living with a girlfriend I can guarentee he would. When I was an assistant my scoutmaster was for living with his girlfriend who was my mother . It was because they werent married. This was the troops decision. They had the power to do this because they are a private organization. I dont disagree with them for that. I will always stand wiyh their decission. obviously not every scout will follow all the points of the scout oath and law, that is why it starts with on my honor, I will do my best. Because we no nobody is perfect. I am an eagle and proud of it. I am a scoutmaster now and have been a professional scout for over ten years . I hope my son will follow the same coarse because it has been one of the most positive influances in my life. I would like to tell my Brothers and Sisters to keep the faith.

[Clint N. Suhks]

the BSA expressly does not require it's members to … believe in a Diety.

I don’t understand, non belief in a deity is atheism. The BSA does not expressly prohibit ax murderers either, ala Scalia, is this your reasoning?

[Clint N. Suhks]

So they can make those requirements unless or until they get overruled by the Boy Scout leadership?

Except for atheism and homosexuality but again, ala Scalia, even though it’s not expressly stated they can’t accept avowed ax murderers either.

[EdReform]

Also posted here

"We have immunized our 12-year-old boy against measles and other debilitating things. The question is -- and it is urgent -- are we as a society, or are we not, prepared to immunize this child against a culture that holds all kinds of peril for his future inner well-being?"

As we have seen in the scouts, in the church, and in the public schools, the greatest peril to youth is the homosexual community.

The Truth About Homosexuals

Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

Seven Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child

HOW TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY PROPAGANDA IN SCHOOLS

Assemblyman MOUNTJOY opposes promotion of homosexuality in public schools.

[EdReform]

Bump!

[yendu bwam]

you make it clear that 'morally straight' can mean whatever it is convenient for it to mean.

Yes, it's true. Morally straight DOES mean different things to different people. To the Boy Scouts, and the vast majority of parents whose sons are privileged to be part of this fine organization, 'morally straight' means shunning homosexual activity. It is entirely possible that to you 'morally straight' means condoning things that are disgusting and dangerous and self-damaging to most people, such as a man putting his sexual organ up the rectum of another man, men engaging in promiscuous sexual activities with other men, frequently anonymous, men engaging in sexual activities in which feces and urine are ingested. It you believe that such activities are encompassed in the words 'morally straight,' that is your prerogative. But a heck of a lot of people totally disagree with you. Accept that. You can form your own oranization any time that uses your concept of 'morally straight.'

[yendu bwam]

We have immunized our 12-year-old boy against measles and other debilitating things. The question is -- and it is urgent -- are we as a society, or are we not, prepared to immunize this child against a culture that holds all kinds of peril for his future inner well-being?

It's quite obvious that we as a society do not seem to have the sense to immunize our 12-year-old boys against aggressive attempts to force familiarization with homosexual activity. However, as parents of teenage sons, I will take every measure to immunize my sons against the deadly and soul-deadening homosexual culture. That is my right, and I will fight to preserve it.

[yendu bwam]

First of all the Boy Scouts are a private organization, they can kick anyone out for any reason they want to, and nobody will ever change that.

And by using their God-given common sense to make such decisions, they have built the Boy Scouts into an organization that helps millions of boys every year learn responsibility, courage, reverence, teamwork, and just about every other value that the vast majority of parents wants to instill in their sons. The Boy Scouts uses it power to remove leaders in cases where they believe (even if you don't) that such leaders would have a deleterious effect on the boys in that leaders' troop. Seems to me like they have a pretty good track record at making those decisions well.

[John O]

I know I'll probably get another argument started but somewhere between 95 and 99% of the male flight attendants on US carriers are gay.

Of course. What normal man would want to be a stewardess?

My experience has been that, as a group, male flight attendants are better than females and no one I know complains about them being gay.

Stewardesses should be young female and good looking.

What do you bet that the average teenage boy riding on an airplane knows all of this instinctively.

If he was raised correctly he would know that being a stewardess is womens work.

God Save America (Please)

[leadpenny]

I don't know. Sounds a little homophobic to me. What happened to "live, and let live?"

BTW, "live, and let live" means to me that the gay population should stop pushing their preferences in public. They could start by removing any and all symbols from the bumpers of their cars. I'd love to have a rainbow bumper sticker with the added words, "I'm not Gay, I just like Rainbows!"

[John O]

Sounds a little homophobic to me.

I have no fear of sameness. Why should I. I do however fear for the safety of my children and country due to attacks by organized sexual perverts seeking to destroy all that is good about these United States.

(I merely despise political correctness which is why 'flight attendents' are still just stewardesses)

What happened to "live, and let live?"

We are at war here for our way of life. There is no live and let live in war. The SADs are trying to destroy us because we will not endorse their perversion as normal and healthy. They can't stand to face their chosen sin and demand that all negative references to it be erased. I won't do that. The practice of homosexual behavior harms those who partake of it, those who know those who partake of it and the entire community that allows it. It is hazardous to our children (homosexuals don't reproduce they recruit) and to our future.

I fight against it just like I fight against communists, liberals, democrats, murderers, and all other enemies of my country

God Save America (Please)

[EdReform]

The queer community has a new term -- "heterosexism", which is used to equate heterosexuals with racists. See reply # 32 in the thread Critics Slam 'Gay Agenda' in Public Schools