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Very, very few judges, prosecutors or government lawyers over the past 60 years (at least)have officially taken the position that an individual right to own guns exists.

Dick, why then is it called the STANDARD Model. Also, look at Emerson, the latest case.

the one that is essentially settled law
Again, EMERSON.

The Supreme Court last dealt with the issue directly in 1939 when it clearly backed they collective, no-individual right position.

BS. Read US v Miller.

What the founders intended is unknowable. Objective truth about the meaning of the Second Amendment does not exist. Practical consensus about its meaning will not endure. The concept of "well regulated militia" is an anachronism in the 21st century.

BS. What in the blue hell? Dick, have you read the federalist papers...especially federalist 46? Huh?

1 posted on 05/10/2002 4:34:46 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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This is actually a wonderful suggestion. Most of the problems of our society have arisen from interest groups using judicial activism to bypass the amendment procedure. If gun control advocates want to come out and fight in the open to repeal the 2nd amendment, good for them! they're finally doing something in a constitutional way.

Of course, such an amendment will go nowhere (which is also exactly the way it's supposed to work).

Think how much better our society would be if abortion proponents had used similar tactics in the 60's.

2 posted on 05/10/2002 4:40:29 PM PDT by Restorer
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So the time for pussy footing around is over. It’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. Bag it.

Mr. Dick is sooooo right. It's long past time to stop pussyfooting around. Let's get that next American Civil War going. This ought to do it.

Then, I expect we'll see if he's got the courage to live his convictions.

3 posted on 05/10/2002 4:42:18 PM PDT by Noumenon
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The use of "Very, very" like "more and more" is a sign the touchy feely BS is flowing big time.
4 posted on 05/10/2002 4:44:04 PM PDT by spunkets
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Hey, DICK.....it's a good thing they don't "bag" the first amendment, huh? How about we just do away with ALL of them. Heck, if life gets better with the removal of 1 amendment, surely life becomes BLISS if we remove them all, right? Just because you're afraid & don't want to protect your family, DON'T make that decision for me.
5 posted on 05/10/2002 4:44:20 PM PDT by Puppage
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What the founders intended is unknowable. Objective truth about the meaning of the Second Amendment does not exist. Practical consensus about its meaning will not endure. The concept of "well regulated militia" is an anachronism in the 21st century.

Dick is an a**hole and a moron and an idiot and knows nothing of American history, nor, indeed the bloody history of the last century. Every SOB that has ever been in the US Congress for the last 200 years KNOWS (or knew) full well what the 2nd is all about - if any of them TRULY thought that there was NO RKBA, then they would have found a way to COMPLETELY ban guns a long time ago. No, Dick, you brainless fool, the RKBA is not only completely understood in both historical and contempory contexts, it will endure in America in some form or another long after you have become worm food.

And, as an aside, if objective truth cannot be known about the 2nd, then the whole damn Constitution is meaningless, the English language is worthless, the words of politicians and idiotic so-called "journalists" is nothing more than insane blather. So why the hell should we listen to the likes of Dick the Minor Moron?

6 posted on 05/10/2002 4:45:16 PM PDT by 45Auto
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"What the founders intended is unknowable."

Read what they wrote, Dick.

7 posted on 05/10/2002 4:46:18 PM PDT by Liberal Classic
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How many lies are in this article? You identified several. Also, off the top of my head, didn't a district court in Ohio rule that it was unconstitutional to deny law-abiding citizens carry permits? If I were really ambitious, I'd go looking for those threads, but it's allergy season and my eyes are burning. What a LYING sack of...something.
8 posted on 05/10/2002 4:48:14 PM PDT by .38sw
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BTTT
9 posted on 05/10/2002 4:48:52 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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So the time for pussy footing around is over. It’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. Bag it.

If what the author advocates comes to pass, then I will either be enslaved or dead.

More likely dead...with a decent kill ratio I hope.

Molon Labe.

5.56mm

10 posted on 05/10/2002 4:50:29 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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Dick Meyer, a veteran political and investigative producer for CBS News, is Editorial Director of CBSNews.com based in Washington.

repeat out loud ten times: "There is no liberal bias in the media"

11 posted on 05/10/2002 4:51:38 PM PDT by cinFLA
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CBS facilities are generally protected by armed guards.

Why is it that a corporation has rights superior to an individual in those areas where guns are restricted, e.g. New York City?

I think CBS should be totally disarmed, even prohibited from hiring armed guards, before any of their corporate pitchmen are allowed to speak on company time on the issue of guns!

12 posted on 05/10/2002 4:52:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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BUMP
13 posted on 05/10/2002 4:53:01 PM PDT by Aurelius
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"What the founders intended is unknowable."

Here's the homework you should have done, lefty.
What the Founding Fathers Said About the Second Amendment and Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms

15 posted on 05/10/2002 4:54:27 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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His Justice Department, in an extreme break from what LIBERAL judges and LIBERAL presidents have done for decades, is trying to establish that view of the Second Amendment as the law of the land in order to eventually rein in federal, state and local gun control laws.
16 posted on 05/10/2002 4:56:33 PM PDT by cinFLA
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in order to eventually rein in federal, state and local gun control laws.

That would be nice. ;-) Psst!-->....... Fuckin' A right!!! Woo Hoo!!

18 posted on 05/10/2002 5:06:33 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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Perhaps Dick should read Article 1, Section 8 Clause 16 which states,” Congress shall have Power: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia”. That is how the militia got it’s guns, not by having people bring their own guns to a battle. And that could not mean that people kept government issued weapons, as that would be the ”privilege of the people to borrow and bear arms”.
20 posted on 05/10/2002 5:13:33 PM PDT by guitar Josh
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C B S = Constant Bull Shit

Nothing new here

21 posted on 05/10/2002 5:14:05 PM PDT by snooker
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Okay, Dan. You didn't actually expect some liberal columnist for CBS to have actually read the Federalist Papers, did you?

And you don't think he actually went into the context of Miller, now did you?

Remember, you're dealing with liberals who tend to lead with their sentiments. One of their sentiments is that "Guns" aren't for the Unwashed Masses.

We conservatives must remember that its only a short leap to fascism from that kind of thinking.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

24 posted on 05/10/2002 5:26:47 PM PDT by section9
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It’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. Bag it.

Translation: Dickiepoo realizes that he's on the losing side of the argument. The 2nd Amendment is real and it means what it says: The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. Thus the only way to save gun control is to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

25 posted on 05/10/2002 5:31:35 PM PDT by Redcloak
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So the time for pussy footing around is over. It’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. Bag it.

One has to admire Ashcroft. A little footnote in a case has brought these totalitarians out into the open, spouting in rage and unwittingly spewing their actual agendas.

Unfortunately for them, they have "jumped the gun" just a bit early. Not enough generations of schoolkids are completely brainwashed yet. Nor are enough of the old vets dead or in wheelchairs. Nor has the vast majority of the population forgotten the Way It Was back when America was America - and not an approaching third-world slum wannabe sold out by these very people who now want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment first (just before they get rid of the other 9).

Yup. They're a little early on the draw. They're just a mite too anxious to get this thing done and get on with ruling America to their own liking.

But, it's a close thing. In another 10 years, the deed would have been done easily, especially with another Clinton in office and 10 more years of unrelenting Liberal propaganda. Now, if they want to try such an un-Constitutional stunt, there will blood to pay and people to make sure it will be paid. And it won't be political or rhetorical blood.

They better check again and see if they really want to do this and go to the mat. This is not a game to those who are serious about the Constitution!

26 posted on 05/10/2002 5:34:08 PM PDT by Gritty
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