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If Sweden were a US State, it would be the poorest state in the union
yahoo! finance ^ | 5/4/02 | reuters wire

Posted on 05/05/2002 11:50:18 PM PDT by bourbon

Reuters Market News Swedes less well off than poorest Americans -study

STOCKHOLM, May 4 (Reuters) - Swedes, usually perceived in Europe as a comfortable, middle class lot, are poorer than African Americans, the most economically deprived group in the United States, a Swedish study showed on Saturday.

The study by a retail trade lobby, published in the liberal Dagens Nyheter newspaper 19 weeks before the next general election, echoed the centre-right opposition's criticism of the weak state of Sweden's economy after decades of almost uninterrupted Social Democratic rule.

The Swedish Research Institute of Trade (HUI) said it had compared official U.S. and Swedish statistics on household income as well as gross domestic product, private consumption and retail spending per capita between 1980 and 1999.

Using fixed prices and purchasing power parity adjusted data, the median household income in Sweden at the end of the 1990s was the equivalent of $26,800 compared with a median of $39,400 for U.S. households, HUI's study showed.

"Weak growth means that Sweden has lost greatly in prosperity compared with the United States," HUI's President Fredrik Bergstrom and chief economist Robert Gidehag said.

International Monetary Fund data from 2001 show that U.S. GDP per capita in dollar terms was 56 percent higher than in Sweden while in 1980, Swedish GDP per capita was 20 percent higher.

"Black people, who have the lowest income in the United States, now have a higher standard of living than an ordinary Swedish household," the HUI economists said.

If Sweden were a U.S. state, it would be the poorest measured by household gross income before taxes, Bergstrom and Gidehag said.

They said they had chosen that measure for their comparison to get around the differences in taxation and welfare structures. Capital gains such as income from securities were not included.

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The median income of African American households was about 70 percent of the median for all U.S. households while Swedish households earned 68 percent of the overall U.S. median level.

This meant that Swedes stood "below groups which in the Swedish debate are usually regarded as poor and losers in the American economy," Bergstrom and Gidehag said.

Between 1980 and 1999, the gross income of Sweden's poorest households increased by just over six percent while the poorest in the United States enjoyed a three times higher increase, HUI said.

If the trend persists, "things that are commonplace in the United States will be regarded as the utmost luxury in Sweden," the authors said. "We are not quite there yet but the trend is clear."

According to HUI figures, in 1998-99 U.S. GDP per capita was 40 percent higher than in Sweden while U.S. private consumption and retail sales per capita exceeded Swedish levels by more than 80 percent.

The HUI economists attributed the much bigger difference in consumption and sales mainly to the fact that U.S. households pay themselves for education and health care, services which are tax-financed and come for free or at low user charges in Sweden.

According to recent opinion polls Sweden's Social Democrats are comfortably ahead of the centre-right opposition in the run-up to the September 15 elections.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: poverty; sweden; swedish
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To: 1234
and , significantly so.
41 posted on 05/06/2002 7:01:35 AM PDT by 1234
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To: Millburn Drysdale
The comparison to the Clinton takeover is not inapposite. It doesn't matter how the Clintoons came to power; the point is that they did, despite the fact that a large number of Americans abhorred them. (It was a "His-and-Hers" presidency, as we all know.) Many Americans mourned daily, and became pysically ill, because of what was inhabiting the Oval Office. I don't want to be verbally tossed into a huge cesspool of Bubba-Lovers, and I doubt that many here at FR would either. That is the point.

If you must continue with your ABBA-bashing; I am well aware that they are not of same calibre as a large number of music talents (comparing them to the Berliner Philharmoniker?!) (check your spelling), but they made an impact and they made a fortune. So they performed "feel good" music -- not a thing wrong with that.

What credentials do you have to judge them and their music? Just curious. Opinions are like -- well, no need to finish that little gem. Do you have a musical performance background? A degree in music or music business? I just like to know who my verbal sparring partner is, you understand.

Tack sa myckett,
Sharon

43 posted on 05/06/2002 7:09:37 AM PDT by Beep
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To: bourbon
What is insulting to me about this article is that it immediately jumps on the notion of "Oh, boo hoo, we are poorer than blacks in America!" What the heck is all that about?!

Of course, the Swedes (and I like their cars, dammit!) convienently ignore other statistics that show that if black America were it's own nation, the GNP would be the tenth largest on the planet.

To hear this group tell it, Swedish households are no better off than the deepest, darkest reaches of Mississippi!

44 posted on 05/06/2002 7:13:51 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I'll take living in Stockholm over Gary, Indiana any day.....

Sorry - I grew up in Gary, and while it isn't the be-all, end-all of life (I certainly am not proud of everything going on there - ask me one day to tell you about politics there and why I refused to run for City Council there), there are definitely worse places in the US to be from and to have lived in.

That being said, Stockholm sounds like a pretty nice place...

46 posted on 05/06/2002 7:16:17 AM PDT by mhking
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To: 1234
How is it that you "know" the country? Live there? Formerly live there? (Tons of Swedish immigrants settled in Virginia, I know!) Work there? All of these experts on Sweden coming out of the woodwork is amazing!

If you do know the country, it doesn't necessarily mean you know the Swedish people -- your "average Lars," so to speak. Please -- I'm fascinated; more detail please?!

Tack sa myckett!

47 posted on 05/06/2002 7:18:31 AM PDT by Beep
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To: bourbon
Poor Sweden......I knew this 10 years ago when I visited with my family. The "poor" young Swedish girls could not afford undies....no Bra and often no panties. It was terrible! I often engaged in conversation with these poor girls to better understand their plight.
49 posted on 05/06/2002 7:22:50 AM PDT by TRY ONE
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To: superdestroyer
I did not know that Norway was a state.

now u know more(i'm bein irresponsible; am 'asleep @ the wheel this a.m..?): my statistics stand, however inappriately posted....

50 posted on 05/06/2002 7:26:43 AM PDT by 1234
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To: TRY ONE
"The "poor" young Swedish girls could not afford undies."

Do you have any pictures to bolster this assertion?
8')

51 posted on 05/06/2002 7:26:48 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: general_re
Sweden's greatest export:


52 posted on 05/06/2002 7:29:36 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SLJP
ursakta, men avskild regera just nu(min svensk ar rusty). lyka til
53 posted on 05/06/2002 7:35:41 AM PDT by 1234
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To: mhking
Doesn't Gary have one of the highest murder rates in the nation? Of course I live in Baltimore, so life in Gary would be about the same.
55 posted on 05/06/2002 7:36:07 AM PDT by caa26
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To: caa26
Doesn't Gary have one of the highest murder rates in the nation?

Percentage-wise? Yes. Gary is on par with Miami, New Orleans, Baltimore, Oakland and a number of other larger urban areas. It is down over the last few years, however.

The crime rate there is still something that keeps the local constabulary busy. My brother gets to play with the felons regularly. He heads up the probation department for the city. He tells me that while the rate of gang crime is still up there (as compared to when we were younger), it is on the decline there, simply because the gangbangers are moving on to other areas.

56 posted on 05/06/2002 7:40:07 AM PDT by mhking
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To: wku man
You're right....My mistake.
57 posted on 05/06/2002 7:43:19 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: mhking
Good that there has been some progress, its been reported that Baltimore's crime rate has improved over the past few years. I fail to see it, I think the numbers are being fudged or some crimes are just not being recorded.

I always get kick out of how New York City is generalized as such a dangerous place. I'll take Manhattan and most areas of Brooklyn and Queens before downtown Baltimore any day.

58 posted on 05/06/2002 7:45:11 AM PDT by caa26
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To: mc5cents
It's the best of both worlds - we have the wealth, so we import tall Nordic blondes with guns, where the Swedes have a comparative advantage in production. And we're rich in every other way, so we're attractive to tall Nordic blondes ;)
59 posted on 05/06/2002 7:48:26 AM PDT by general_re
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To: bourbon
If Sweden were a U.S. state, it would be the poorest measured by household gross income before taxes, Bergstrom and Gidehag said.

I just imagine Sweden being a US state and comparing unfavorably with Arkansas and Mississippi.

LOL. I can't even really comment on this, just laugh. I'm still laughing.

Tuor

60 posted on 05/06/2002 7:50:03 AM PDT by Tuor
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