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Public urination near "The Friendly Confines" will cost you $500; 20-30% of offenders are women
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 5.2.02 | ROSALIND ROSSI AND FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 05/02/2002 10:40:49 AM PDT by mhking

Public urination may be punished with a $500 fine

May 2, 2002

BY ROSALIND ROSSI AND FRAN SPIELMAN STAFF REPORTERS

Chicago Cubs fans who load up on beer, straggle out of the game and relieve themselves in an alley or someone's front yard would pay dearly--with an automatic $500 fine--under a crackdown proposed Wednesday by the local alderman.

The new public urination ordinance proposed by Ald. Bernard Hansen (44th) would be enforced citywide, but would attack one of the main issues standing in the way of Wrigley Field expansion--that 2,000 more ticket holders will bring more public urination to East Lake View.

"One of the identified largest problems with the quality of life in our area has been the second most popular sport, and that's peeing in public,'' said Charlotte Newfeld, chair of Citizens United for Baseball and Sunshine and a board member of the Lakeview Citizens Council. Last December, the Council's board of directors declared public urination the area's second-most pressing issue, right behind parking, Newfeld said.

Wrigleyville resident Charles Holzner was so aggravated by the problem that several years ago he started videotaping public urinators behind his home, in the 3500 block of North Sheffield. He said he discovered 20 to 30 percent of the offenders were women.

"They just pull down their pants and think nothing of it,'' Holzner said. "But they are drunk, what do you expect?''

Holzner called the proposed ordinance a "step in the right direction,'' and said large signs in alleys announcing the fine would make people "think twice'' before using alleys as open-air toilets.

But Newfeld and others said Hansen's idea didn't go far enough or attack the root of the problem. Newfeld questioned how thoroughly such an ordinance would be enforced. Both Newfeld and Jim Murphy, owner of Murphy's Bleachers and president of East Lakeview Neighbors, said the area clearly needs more public restrooms.

Murphy cited the public stainless steel toilets used in Paris for $1 a customer that self-clean after every use, so consumers know they are walking into a sanitary facility.

"It seems there's a better solution to it,'' said Murphy, who puts six to eight portable toilets behind Murphy's Bleachers to accommodate Cubs fans. "The fine seems a bit steep, that's for sure ... I don't know if a $500 fine will resolve the matter.''

The municipal code includes no specific reference to public urination. Arrests are typically made under the disorderly conduct ordinance or the public nudity section. Fines for the two offenses range from $5 to $500, with offenders typically fined only $25, said Jennifer Hoyle, city Law Department spokeswoman.

As a result, Hansen said, if violators get a good lawyer, they come to court and say, "It wasn't indecent exposure. It was an emergency, judge. I had to relieve myself.''

"I want to take away the ability to confuse the court about what these people are really doing,'' Hansen said. "I want it defined in such a way that there's no escape from reality.''

The $500 fine would make clear "our neighborhood is not a washroom,'' Hansen said.

The Tribune Co., which owns the Cubs, has proposed expanding Wrigley Field by 2,000 seats, but the idea has been stalled by opposition to the impact on the neighborhood, including fear of increased public urination. In response, the Tribune Co. has promised to eliminate all 13 Friday 2:20 p.m. starts, create a neighborhood watch program using Cubs personnel with radios, install portable toilets at Cubs parking lots owned by the Tribune, and build an exterior entrance to washrooms in a 400-space parking garage to be constructed next to Wrigley Field.

None of that has satisfied the community.

Newfeld said offenders should be arrested, not merely cited. Otherwise, she said, if they are from outside the area they can just get back on their "charter bus'' and ignore the fine.

The Lakeview Citizens Council has recommended a series of solutions, including a $250 fine, requiring that any parking lot with 50 cars have at least one portable toilet, and establishing fines for failing to clean and maintain portable toilets.

"If we're going to let everybody pour all the liquid in, it's going to come out,'' Newfeld said. "I would prefer we have a tasteful solution to the problem by doing public washrooms.''



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1 posted on 05/02/2002 10:40:49 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
BUMP
2 posted on 05/02/2002 10:46:11 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: mhking
bare live electrical wires laying on the ground are good deterrents
3 posted on 05/02/2002 10:48:20 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera
When you got to go you go. I don't care where it is, or what the fine is.
4 posted on 05/02/2002 10:54:27 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: Khepera
bare live electrical wires laying on the ground are good deterrents

Funny you mention that.

I heard a story a good ten-twelve years ago in Chicago where the survivors of a late Vietnamese immigrant was suing the city of Chicago.

Seems the immigrant couldn't read English, and was outside staggering along the street and decided he needed take a whiz. Well, modestly being something he at least thought about, he decided to duck behind an open gate he spied near the street to tend to his business. There was a sign on the gate, but it could'nt be anything major, right?

Needless to say, the gate was a service entrance to the CTA's elevated railway system. Also, this was a transition point from subway to surface to elevated trackway. That's right, our hapless victim took "number one" on the third rail of the EL. Scratch one immigrant.

5 posted on 05/02/2002 10:59:41 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
I also notice that if you put up a warning sign or locked fence then, you are acknowledging there is danger. Someone who breaches the fence or does not heed the sign can then sue you with greater success than if there was no sign or other precautionary measures taken. No effort made to provide a safety barrier and you can claim you where unaware of the danger and therefore not negligent.
6 posted on 05/02/2002 11:10:46 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: tom paine 2
If you don't care then I don't care.
7 posted on 05/02/2002 11:11:36 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: mhking
Here is the Liberal solution, with two approaches:

1)Victimology
The people who are committing these acts of public urination, are simply the victims of their own alcoholisim and clearly need treatment. Anybody who urinates in public should be signed up for a government supported treatment program. This of course should be paid for by the Cubs and the beer companies. We all know that the outrageous price goughing on beer is clearly motivated by corporate greed. Taken on a national scale the $7.50 charged for a 12-14 oz. beer makes the Enron scandal look like peanuts. Speaking of peanuts, it is the damn salt on the peanuts that causes us to drink so much beer. Thus we need to eliminate the salted peanuts! We also need legislation to increase the price of beer to $135.00 a beer. At this price clearly the need for urinating in public will be diminished due to the reduced consumption.

2 Enviro take:
Wait, is the urine being treated before it is allowed to eventually flow into the Lake Michigan? All such sewage waste must be treated! Clearly the Cubs realize this and need to be sued for adding to the polution. I think we should take half of that $135.00 a beer and build new waste treatment facilities and locate them in the bull pen of the visiting team. They are full of crap anyway!

8 posted on 05/02/2002 11:16:16 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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This probably happened in the neighborhood where I used to live (Uptown) which has a large Vietnamese population. Interesting you mention this, because I was once waiting on the Lawrence Avenue El stop when I noticed the deranged gentleman who was circling the garbage can a few feet from me talking to him self. I also noticed that he had his fly open and was "writing in yellow ink" on the can. Gross.
9 posted on 05/02/2002 11:45:34 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: mhking
He said he discovered 20 to 30 percent of the offenders were women.

I don't find this surprising. I think it might be equal or even higher if it was as easy for women as it is for men.

10 posted on 05/02/2002 11:56:03 AM PDT by muggs
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He said he discovered 20 to 30 percent of the offenders were women.

Cold bneer has no conscience. Homer

11 posted on 05/02/2002 12:06:45 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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Public urination may be punished with a $500 fine

They'll need a law like that for Clowntoon's final resting place.

12 posted on 05/02/2002 12:07:18 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: TightSqueeze
Cold bneer has no conscience. Homer

"Niny nine boddles of bneer ona wall. Niny nine boddles of bneer."

13 posted on 05/02/2002 12:17:42 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: mhking
A definitive solution would be to suspend the issuance of entry visas to all French nationals.....
14 posted on 05/02/2002 12:18:19 PM PDT by tracer
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To: mhking
I was a little surprised that 20 to 30% were women.I wonder if after they sober up they would think,"A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS?"
15 posted on 05/02/2002 2:19:11 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: mhking
I wonder what the fine for public defecation in the Clinton Presidential Library will be?

That's a law I'd really like to break.

16 posted on 05/02/2002 2:23:27 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: mhking
Sooner or later, that ordinance is gonna get watered down.

From a former Addison Denizen +=<)B^)

17 posted on 05/02/2002 2:43:34 PM PDT by Erasmus
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To: mhking
I think it was Archie Bunker who once said, "You can never buy beer; you can only rent it."
18 posted on 05/02/2002 2:51:40 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: truth_seeker
nothing like a ice cold bneer on a hot aftermoon.
19 posted on 05/02/2002 2:54:57 PM PDT by steveo
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To: mhking
$500.00. Cool. I like it.
20 posted on 05/02/2002 2:55:46 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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