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State police plan to use driver photos in lineups
The Courier Journal | April 22, 2002 | Andrew Wolfson

Posted on 04/22/2002 2:50:22 AM PDT by SLB

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I had to have my license renewed last week. I asked about this very subject and was assured the photo was not "kept" for any purposes. However the procedure took at least five minutes to complete. Guess they had to store my image.
1 posted on 04/22/2002 2:50:22 AM PDT by SLB
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To: one_particular_harbour; Calculus_of_Consent
Ping.
2 posted on 04/22/2002 2:54:19 AM PDT by riley1992
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This is scary, to think that you may live on the opposite end of the state, had nothing to do, what-so-ever, with a crime and then have your photo picked out as the culprit that committed one.

There have been numerous occasions when people have told me I was a dead ringer for so-and-so. I hope one of my clones doesn't live in KY.

3 posted on 04/22/2002 3:58:32 AM PDT by chainsaw
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FYI
5 posted on 04/22/2002 4:24:18 AM PDT by SLB
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This will backfire. They'll end up getting photos that look so much like the suspect that the suspect won't ever be able to be identified amongst the lookalikes.
6 posted on 04/22/2002 4:26:34 AM PDT by Sandy
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This will backfire. They'll end up getting photos that look so much like the suspect that the suspect won't ever be able to be identified amongst the lookalikes.

Kind of defeats the original purpose of the lineup IMHO in addition to the other drawbacks already articulated here.

7 posted on 04/22/2002 4:37:06 AM PDT by toddst
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I guess this is now incentive to shave, get a haircut, and put on your best clothes before getting your driver photo taken.
8 posted on 04/22/2002 4:42:11 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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Dwight Neff, 50, said, ''If you're not guilty, you should have nothing to worry about.''

Classic . . .

10 posted on 04/22/2002 5:31:22 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71; Wally Cleaver; the irate magistrate; pocat
Dwight Neff, 50, said, ''If you're not guilty, you should have nothing to worry about.''

What a maroon!

SLB, I'll bet your digital image will be sold to other agencies. If I know Kentucky and that sleazebucket Patton who posed for the 'first digital license picture', there's money to be made and corruption to protect.

11 posted on 04/22/2002 6:08:09 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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This might not be a bad thing, if "cold hits" are rightly recognized as being unreliable. The notion that a "cold hit" in any sort of lineup means anything is absurd.

To clarify: suppose one figures that a lineup of 10 people has a 33% chance of identifying the right guy, a 33% chance of identifying the wrong guy, and a 33% chance of identifying nobody. If the police have a suspect and two people ID him, that increases the likelihood that they in fact have the correct suspect. On the other hand, there's a 1 in 27 chance that two people will ID the same wrong suspect if their mistakes are independent; if the wrong suspect has some trait that increased his likelihood of being picked, the odds of erroneous double-ID go up substantially.

12 posted on 04/22/2002 7:13:19 AM PDT by supercat
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If I know Kentucky and that sleazebucket Patton who posed for the 'first digital license picture', there's money to be made and corruption to protect.

No, pleeze tell me it's not true. Corruption in the state government? Never happen in Kentucky

13 posted on 04/22/2002 8:39:57 AM PDT by SLB
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I, myself, went today to get my driver's license renewed. Personally, I HATE the new digital driver's licenses altogether. I have no use for the hologramic, high-tech, bar-code national identification card that the KY. driver's license has become; let's not kid ourselves if there is a shred of doubt out there: it IS a national ID card.

And, also, I had to sit and wait for at least ten minutes in the Circuit Clerk's Office, where I suppose they had to program all my vital information into the national database. Because I swear to you, I went into the office at approximately 10 AM this morning and I was LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON in the office.

interesting times.....

14 posted on 04/22/2002 9:59:03 AM PDT by RonPaulLives
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Lots of fodder for someone who wants to run on the privacy issue next year for Governor, or this year as a state rep or senator.
15 posted on 04/22/2002 11:49:35 AM PDT by CreekerFreeper
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Oh, terrific. I have to go and have mine renewed this week. Ya reckon they'll want a DNA sample, too? Chippin' away at our freedom, little by little.
16 posted on 04/22/2002 2:51:31 PM PDT by bearsgirl90
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We are rapidly approaching an absolute police state, the likes of which have been previously impossible due to the limitations of technology.
17 posted on 04/22/2002 2:54:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Fred Mertz, SLB,one_particular_harbour,Squantos,Cap'n Crunch
With the luck I've had lately, I'll be fingered the first time someone sees my picture in the new "license line-up." Here's my latest experience:

Last Monday morning I was pulled over by a county cop on my way to work at 4am. He approached my truck with a flashlight in one hand and his pistol in the other. He ordered me to keep my hands where he could see them. I kept them glued on the steering wheel. I didn't notice the gun at first, but when I turned to look he was drawing down RIGHT ON MY HEAD! (Luckily, I had already taken out my license and CCW permit as soon as I pulled over). When I saw this, I said "Whoa there buddy, what's the problem?" He said the store down the road had just been broken in to and the silent alarm went off. He said the back door was wide open. I had just pulled out from the road right next to it when he saw me. He seemed convinced that I just left the store's parking lot.

At this point, he was looking at my driver's license and CCW permit. He asked if I had a weapon on me. I said it was in the truck, I always carry it, and asked him if he wanted to get it. I'm not sure if me having a gun made him more nervous, or (as I would think) if a CCW is proof of a good citizen. He declined to check my weapon. After he quickly interrogated me about where I came from/was going, he spotted a metal lockbox (similar to a store's cash box) in the back of my truck. A guy at work recently gave it to me but I didn't have the key with me. I told him to shake it if he wanted - the whole time keeping my death grip on the steering wheel. After a few tense minutes, he was finally convinced I wasn't his public enemy #1, and he went to join the other cops at the store. I'd never had a loaded gun pointed at my head before, and I thought I might have to go back home to change my underwear!

What do you guys think? Was he a little too quick to draw, or were his actions understandable?

19 posted on 04/22/2002 4:15:18 PM PDT by pocat
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Chippin' away at our freedom, little by little.

I just saw a disturbing picture in a recent newspaper. I think it was USAToday.

It was a picture of a security guard "wanding" a college girl for weapons before she entered the Capitol building for a tour. The caption read, "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."

I thought I was going to puke. So now, THIS is the NEW "vigilance" - subjecting ourselves to more and more searches and seizures - in the name of a perverted "freedom." When I saw this photo, I recalled what Franklin said about those who would sacrifice freedom for security, but now the powers-that-be are equating one with the other and the sheeple are eating it up. Our Republic is doomed.

20 posted on 04/22/2002 4:26:04 PM PDT by pocat
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