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America should abrogate the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty, and in the meantime license commerical companies to develop outer space resources.

The door to space resource development is closed. Open it! Mr. Bush, knock down that wall!

1 posted on 04/18/2002 9:36:40 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
But... but... how do we even know there's anything there, since it the moon landings were a HOAX perpetrated by NASA?!??

>/tinfoil hat sarcasm and ridicule OFF<

2 posted on 04/18/2002 9:41:48 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: RightWhale
. . . the moon rush happen spontaneously once a profitable business model is developed for using lunar resources to support the development of large-scale solar power satellite systems.

My guess is that a "profitable business model" in outer space will never be developed. This is why governments have to provide funding for space exploration -- if there were even a remote chance of financial success, a company like General Electric would have established a permanent presence on the moon already.

3 posted on 04/18/2002 9:44:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: RightWhale
please do not destroy the pristine lunar reserve.
6 posted on 04/18/2002 9:58:40 AM PDT by Rustynailww
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To: RightWhale
The United States owns the moon, the same way all colonies have ever been claimed - By the planting of a our flag.

The rest of the world can pack sand!

9 posted on 04/18/2002 10:24:56 AM PDT by gwynapnudd
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To: RightWhale
America should abrogate the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty, and in the meantime license commerical companies to develop outer space resources.

But they wont. The government doesn't want a lot of people in Space. They especially don't want a lot of people on a far off colony in space. Why? Because such people may, as England learned, declare independance and then the powers on Earth won't be able to control them. Unlike the New World, which is slowly being brought in line with the Old World, space is too vast for that. They may lose power never to regain it again.

No. If the government ever goes into space full throttle, it will be when they are confident of their ability to maintain control over all that happens there. Until then, they will keep throwing us occasional bones via NASA (which is a joke) and try to keep private individuals or companies out of space.

Tuor

Tuor

14 posted on 04/18/2002 10:41:24 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: RightWhale
I think we should send that idiot from Houston (Jackson-Lee) who thinks we planted the flag on Mars in 1969 to check it out ...
16 posted on 04/18/2002 10:47:12 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: RightWhale
The Solar System is strictly a "pay me now of pay me later" deal. Once we've exhausted rare mineral resources on Earth, we'll have to go diggin' other places. The tragedy is that if we hadn't killed the space program after Apollo, we'd have the technology now that we saw in the movie "2001." That technology is now 50-100 years away because the Libs insist on spending the money buying transfer payment voters.
23 posted on 04/18/2002 10:52:48 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: RightWhale
Hey, I got a solution to the Mid East Crisis. Give the PA authority 1000 square miles on the moon. No Jews, no pesky neighbors, plenty of sunlight. Just let them come up with the transportaion.
28 posted on 04/18/2002 10:58:37 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: RightWhale
The door to space resource development is closed. Open it! Mr. Bush, knock down that wall!

Sounds good to me!
Nothing up there but a lot of sterile rock and rock dust anyway.
Time to defund NASA and put our tax dollars to better use.
If some private-sector lunatic (pun intended) wants to pi$$ away their money going to the moon, that's they're choice.

35 posted on 04/18/2002 11:04:49 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: RightWhale
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Authorization to proceed with the 921-2 space station came in February 1999, with the first design review in May. A vacuum chamber with a diameter of 7 meters and a height of 12 meters had already been built to test the station. First launch may be expected no earlier than 2002, with a slow rate of assembly of the space station thereafter. Image copyright Mark Wade.


China Prepares Plan For Space Station As China Eyes Manned Mission




by Wei Long


Beijing - June 12, 2000 - China is planning to orbit its own space station via a three phased plan says a technical report made public here last Thursday (June 8).


The Chinese Academy of Engineering held a "Frontiers of Engineering Technology" meeting which was well attended by both academics and industry. During the meeting, thirteen members of the Academy presented oral and written reports on more than ten topics to some 500 people.


Representing the space sector was Wang Yongzhi, the chief manned spaceflight engineer and designer.


According to the Liberation Daily newspaper, Wang wrote in his report, titled "Chinese Manned Spaceflight", that the Chinese space engineering community would go through three phases to achieve the ultimate goal of establishing a permanently manned space station.


The first phase would be launching a manned spacecraft over a series of unmanned and manned flights, delivering yuhangyuan ("astronauts") to near-Earth orbit and returning them to Earth safely. While in orbit yuhangyuan would conduct earth observations and space experiments.


The focus of the second phase is undertaking spacewalking activities (EVAs), docking and related tests, and the launching of a space laboratory which would only be man-tended on a short-term basis and left in an automated mode between visits.


The third phase is the construction of a larger lab that would form China's first space station and which would be permanently manned.


The Liberation Daily, however, did not report a timeline for the various phases.


Wang wrote, "The manned spacecraft engineering project is by far the largest, most complex and technically difficult in the history of the Chinese space program.


There are four basic task objectives for the manned spacecraft:


achieve a breakthrough in manned spaceflight fundamental technologies;
conduct experiments in earth observations, space sciences and space technologies;
provide an early transportation vehicle between Earth and outer space;
and accumulate experience for a manned space station system.


The manned spacecraft project consists of seven components, they are: yuhangyuan system; spacecraft utilization system; manned vehicle system; launcher system; launch range system; and landing system.


Wang said that research and development of the manned spacecraft project would go through the stages of design, early research and prototyping, final construction and unmanned test flights, and manned test flights.


"China would aim at conducting fewer unmanned test flights than the former Soviet Union and the United States before sending the first human crew into space," said Wang The chief manned spaceflight engineer and designer further said Wang.


China successfully tested its future manned spacecraft, Shenzhou, for the first time in an unmanned flight in November 1999.


Comparing the yuhangyuan project to other Chinese space projects, Wang said that it was far more complex, and would entail the combination of medical and engineering aspects of manned space travel, along with other important areas of science such as space life sciences and space medical engineering.


The project is also responsible for selecting and training yuhangyuan to carry out various tasks in space missions, providing yuhangyuan effective medical monitoring and protection, and developing space food and other essential articles.


The first group of yuhangyuan are fighter pilots who are on active duty. They were chosen after many rounds of selection. These yuhangyuan have undergone three stages of basic training, skills training, and finally integrated training for spacecraft operations.


The report declared that after seven years of difficult work, the basic tasks objectives of the manned spacecraft project, codenamed Project 921, and the component systems have all been reached.

72 posted on 04/18/2002 12:12:54 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: RightWhale
There's electric gold in them thar hills.
91 posted on 04/18/2002 1:07:08 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: RightWhale

100 posted on 04/18/2002 2:29:50 PM PDT by lds23
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To: Borghead
bump
115 posted on 04/18/2002 4:27:16 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
However, due to its provisions prohibiting the ownership of natural real estate in space, the treaty was virtually ignored by the world community. Only nine countries have ratified it and just five others have signed it. The cold shoulders it received from the primary spacefaring nations have all but sealed its fate as an irrelevant document in the larger scheme of space development.

It's too bad so many other bad UN treaties don't share this one's fate.

117 posted on 04/18/2002 5:11:48 PM PDT by altair
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To: RightWhale
Possession is 99% of title. Onward USA.
118 posted on 04/18/2002 5:13:57 PM PDT by wretchard
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To: RightWhale
Even under the current treaties, an individual or corporation own any celestial resources that they are using or that they have put on board a vessel. For example, after we picked up a few hundred pounds of Moon rocks, there was never any question that we owned them. The High Frontier is the New World without the natives!

I guarantee that there are valuable resources up there. Are many people aware that some asteroids have high concentrations of platinum group metals? Nickel/iron asteroids are almost pure stainless steel already. Carbonaceous chondrite asteroids are high in hydrocarbons (petrochemicals). Jupiter's atmosphere is high in hydrogen isotopes for fusion engines. Mercury is high in heavy metals of all types. In free space, you have solar energy for smelting and processing; 10 KW per square meter and the sun never sets.. no clouds either. No EPA, no regulations, no taxes, and you can deliver the goods to your customers on Earth from above without crossing a border. Total freedom and true capitalism. The frontier within the inner solar system is endless for all practical purposes.

141 posted on 04/18/2002 6:21:29 PM PDT by darth
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To: RightWhale

Think of it.. all that cheese.

147 posted on 04/18/2002 7:34:09 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: redrock
Rockthrower bump. Loonies unite!
151 posted on 04/18/2002 9:50:59 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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