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The Outer Space and Moon Treaties and the Coming Moon Rush
spacedaily.com ^ | 18 Apr 02 | Bill Carswell

Posted on 04/18/2002 9:36:38 AM PDT by RightWhale

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America should abrogate the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty, and in the meantime license commerical companies to develop outer space resources.

The door to space resource development is closed. Open it! Mr. Bush, knock down that wall!

1 posted on 04/18/2002 9:36:40 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
But... but... how do we even know there's anything there, since it the moon landings were a HOAX perpetrated by NASA?!??

>/tinfoil hat sarcasm and ridicule OFF<

2 posted on 04/18/2002 9:41:48 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: RightWhale
. . . the moon rush happen spontaneously once a profitable business model is developed for using lunar resources to support the development of large-scale solar power satellite systems.

My guess is that a "profitable business model" in outer space will never be developed. This is why governments have to provide funding for space exploration -- if there were even a remote chance of financial success, a company like General Electric would have established a permanent presence on the moon already.

3 posted on 04/18/2002 9:44:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
They aren't allowed too( at least from what I heard on the history channel) but they are in Russia LOL( Russia has begun privatizing its space program).
4 posted on 04/18/2002 9:48:51 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Constitution Day
the moon landings were a HOAX

Looks like China will be on the moon within 8 years, and NASA won't. NASA will be concentrating on developing a nuclear interplanetary shuttle, yet another White Elephant to go with its ISS International Orbiting Black Hole.

The government can build initial infrastructure, and license companies to develop resources, but this isn't happening in America. It could happen in China and Russia; England, of course, is famous for licensing commerercial companies to develop resources beyond the border.

For unknown reasons the idea of vast arrays of solar cells on the moon has become popular. Asteroid mining is the way to go as far as I know.

The nuclear interplanetary shuttle has no mission, nor will ever have a mission worth the trouble.

5 posted on 04/18/2002 9:50:24 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
please do not destroy the pristine lunar reserve.
6 posted on 04/18/2002 9:58:40 AM PDT by Rustynailww
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please do not destroy the pristine lunar reserve

You thought the ANWR was useless scrub land? The moon is even less attractive: a rubble heap, a bombed-out wasteland. But it has something anyway: location.

7 posted on 04/18/2002 10:19:22 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
The United States owns the moon, the same way all colonies have ever been claimed - By the planting of a our flag.

The rest of the world can pack sand!

9 posted on 04/18/2002 10:24:56 AM PDT by gwynapnudd
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To: Clarino
Wow, did you read the same article I read? My thoughts were a 180 from your response. I thought - how marvelous that God might be smiling at our finding of the moon as more than just a wooful inspiration; charming as it is.
11 posted on 04/18/2002 10:27:36 AM PDT by My back yard
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To: Clarino
I do not quite follow you.

Humans use reasources, we try to use the cheaper and more efficient alternatives. If all goes well, we will eventually begin using off-world resources.

The use of the term 'exploit' does not seem well defined in your arguments. To exploit something is to use something. To not exploit it is to not use it.

13 posted on 04/18/2002 10:40:13 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: RightWhale
America should abrogate the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty, and in the meantime license commerical companies to develop outer space resources.

But they wont. The government doesn't want a lot of people in Space. They especially don't want a lot of people on a far off colony in space. Why? Because such people may, as England learned, declare independance and then the powers on Earth won't be able to control them. Unlike the New World, which is slowly being brought in line with the Old World, space is too vast for that. They may lose power never to regain it again.

No. If the government ever goes into space full throttle, it will be when they are confident of their ability to maintain control over all that happens there. Until then, they will keep throwing us occasional bones via NASA (which is a joke) and try to keep private individuals or companies out of space.

Tuor

Tuor

14 posted on 04/18/2002 10:41:24 AM PDT by Tuor
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please do not destroy the pristine lunar reserve Space is not, and should not be, a new empire to exploit as we will. We must learn, instead, to more cautiously and responsibly use the resources we have on Earth. Once we develop cleaner and more appropriate methods of generating electricity, the ridiculous oil scramble we see now will finally be over, and governments can stop messing up world politics just to fill fuel tanks

Pardon me, but you two are in the wrong room, D.U. is the first door on the left. I'll just go a head and flame you guys on your way out...

The moon belongs to those who can get there, claim it and most efficiently utilize the resources they find, you unwashed, commie hippy, tree-sitting socialists!!!!!!!!!!!

If we can get there first, who's going to stop us?

We now return to our regularly scheduled freeping.

15 posted on 04/18/2002 10:43:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: RightWhale
I think we should send that idiot from Houston (Jackson-Lee) who thinks we planted the flag on Mars in 1969 to check it out ...
16 posted on 04/18/2002 10:47:12 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: Clarino
Once we develop cleaner and more appropriate methods of generating electricity, the ridiculous oil scramble we see now will finally be over, and governments can stop messing up world politics just to fill fuel tanks.

You have it backwards. The governments *want* to keep 'messing up world politics' by using things like scarce resources. That is how they maintain their hold on power -- how they show people they are useful and needed. Left to their own devices, we'll never get off the teat of oil and other scarce resources; we'll never develop better alternatives.

Only one thing really keeps us from going to space with impunity: gravity. No, I'm being serious. If we could find a way to overcome Earth's gravity well without as much effort as is currently needed, we could really move out into space. Alas, such a thing appears unworkable with today's physics; perhaps future discoveries in the field will produce a way to at least partially counter the effects of gravity.

Tuor

17 posted on 04/18/2002 10:47:47 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: Clarino
The moon belongs to no-one except the Universe. Try stealing from that.

Easy. The Moon is mine. I own it. Come on, Universe, come and uphold your claim. I'm waiting.... I'm still waiting.... Hmm. No response. I guess the Moon *is* mine.

Wait till I tell everyone!

Tuor

18 posted on 04/18/2002 10:49:44 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: Clarino
Space is not, and should not be, a new empire to exploit as we will.

It sure is.

The universe belongs to mankind, until some other gang shows up and says otherwise. We will do with it as we please.

19 posted on 04/18/2002 10:49:57 AM PDT by dead
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