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Libertarian Harry Browne on George Bush
World Net Daily ^ | April 18, 2002 | Harry Browne

Posted on 04/18/2002 5:43:33 AM PDT by Commie Basher

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To: rottweiller_inc
No problem. I'm always happy knowing my party is the only thing standing between me and the Hell created by idiot third party banana wackos.

Of course, it would help if people spent their time getting a safe GOP majority in Congress so the good guys wouldn't have to settle or compromise with the criminals who call themselves Democrats/press. But I understand you're too busy whining and griping about "principles" and the Constitution, to actually help save the country.

Again, no problem. We'll pull all your fat asses and dead weight along while we fight the enemy, like we always do. So you're free to condemn and take cheap lying shots because, since you have no power...you have no responsibility to deliver. Pretty sweet being a carping coward who never faces the enemy yourself. But then, your LOSER status never changes.

61 posted on 04/18/2002 12:44:27 PM PDT by Deb
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To: Deb

Of course, it would help if people spent their time getting a safe GOP majority in Congress so the good guys wouldn't have to settle or compromise with the criminals who call themselves Democrats/press. But I understand you're too busy whining and griping about "principles" and the Constitution, to actually help save the country.

Remember the '94 elections? I voted republican then and all i got was a lick and a promise.The lack of pricipals that were not subject to compromise was the whole reason i left the Republican party to begin with.It does seem the Republican party would like to forget the Constitution ever exsisted. Reminds me of something i read "when you try to be all things to all people, You end up being nothing to anyone".

Again, no problem. We'll pull all your fat asses and dead weight along while we fight the enemy, like we always do. So you're free to condemn and take cheap lying shots because, since you have no power...you have no responsibility to deliver. Pretty sweet being a carping coward who never faces the enemy yourself. But then, your LOSER status never changes.

I'm not quite sure where you got that but i do feel i have the right to call it the way i see it and that is there's no real difference between Republican and Democrat just one favors corperations and the other favors unions but both are in someones pockets.

62 posted on 04/18/2002 12:53:28 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: Deb
the Hell created by idiot third party banana wackos

When, exactly, was the last time a third party was in power?

63 posted on 04/18/2002 12:58:28 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Deb
Of course, it would help if people spent their time getting a safe GOP majority in Congress so the good guys wouldn't have to settle or compromise with the criminals who call themselves Democrats/press.

We did that back in the 1990s, don't you remember? Remember how much things changed? Oh wait, they didn't did they?

We'll pull all your fat asses and dead weight along while we fight the enemy, like we always do

So your fighting the enemy by giving them everything they wanted and throwing in things like the PATRIOT ACT to boot...HEY IT WORKED FOR THE FRENCH IN WWII!!!! THEY REALLY SHOWED THEM GERMANS HOW MUCH THEY HATED THEM!!

64 posted on 04/18/2002 1:00:49 PM PDT by texlok
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To: rottweiller_inc
Deb's really happy today huh? You got to love the way she throws around the ad homenim - classic hard-liner. Maybe a mean, bad Libertarian stole her lunch money in Junior High or something?
65 posted on 04/18/2002 1:00:51 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
Deb's really happy today huh? You got to love the way she throws around the ad homenim - classic hard-liner. Maybe a mean, bad Libertarian stole her lunch money in Junior High or something?

I dunno, but *sniff* my ass isn't fat *sniff* and for her to insuate that really offended me *sniff*. My feelings are hurt *sniff*.

I hope nobody ever hits the abuse button or asks for moderators to delete her posts, I find her much more entertaining than those undergoing a code brown in their shorts right now over the crash in Italy.

66 posted on 04/18/2002 1:04:27 PM PDT by texlok
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To: Deb
Thanks for leaving. We appreciate it.

I have a lower threashold for treason and treachery than you do. Obvioulsy you will still support those who set up the rules so as to subvert the impeachment conviction and those in office who refuse to seek justice for clinton's crimes even today.

If it's a choice between unconventional thinking or traitors, I'll not be found with you and the traitors.

67 posted on 04/18/2002 1:07:23 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: r9etb
Really? Looks to me like Harry's defending a "no compromise" position.

I guess you better read it again.

68 posted on 04/18/2002 1:19:57 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Ole Okie
Simply put, Browne is wrong on this. The treaty has never been submitted to the Senate.

The Senate, on its own, passed a "sense of the Senate" resolution rejecting Kyoto by 95 - 0, or some such. But the treaty is still out there. Algore eventually would have submitted it for ratification.

This gets my "grasping at straws" award for the day.

I'm sure the 95 would change their mind on this. Talk about a free shot!

69 posted on 04/18/2002 1:25:07 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Cable225
Too late, Harry.

I guess that is a good substitute for a reasoned refutation of the articles points.

70 posted on 04/18/2002 1:26:26 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: jimt
But Harry's article brings up a good point.

I'm glad someone recognised that. I had a feeling this would become just another thread about libertarians and the Libertarian Party instead of a discussion on the merits of what was said. I guess most of the people must concede that he is correct in what he said. (in a pigs eye)

71 posted on 04/18/2002 1:31:02 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: donozark
Perhaps the liberty Caucus inside the Republican Party is the way to go?

The Libertarian Party is the place where the people went who got tired of waiting for that to happen. Most would take it either way, or any way for that matter. Freedom is what these people want, not power.

72 posted on 04/18/2002 1:34:15 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I guess most of the people must concede that he is correct in what he said.

LOL line for the day!

73 posted on 04/18/2002 1:35:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Rule of Law
Are you a member of the Libertarian party? If not, why not join and try to turn them in the direction you think they ought to go? It can be done. It's easy to get in on the meetings and have a say and even a vote.
74 posted on 04/18/2002 1:37:27 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Deb
You're too stupid and dangerous to be a Republican.

Thats hilarious. Stupid and dangerous are the requirments for being a Republican!

75 posted on 04/18/2002 1:41:12 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Commie Basher
Bwahahahaha. Hairy Browny is such a treasure!
76 posted on 04/18/2002 1:41:16 PM PDT by verity
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To: Commie Basher
During the Presidential campaign, most Libertarians on FR told us that Harry Browne was a great guy, running an excellent campaign, and was a walking platform for what Libertarianism meant.

After the campaign, Harry came out and screamed bloody murder attacking the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan, not to mention Harry reminded everyone of his pro-choice and open borders views. Libertarians on FR immediately told us that Harry Browne ran a lousy campaign for President, did NOT represent the views of "most Libertarians" (and that the LP "leaders" had disavowed Harry's columns)-- not to mention grassroot Libertarians had abandoned him for Ron Paul and Barry Hess.

Now, Harry attacks Bush again for not being conservative enough. Most Libertarians on FR tell us that Harry Browne is a great guy and is a walking platform for what Libertarianism means. And, of course, he'd make a great president.

I sure wish you guys would be consistant here.

77 posted on 04/18/2002 1:44:06 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: realpatriot71
When, exactly, was the last time a third party was in power?

Now, the Republican party was a third party. :-)

78 posted on 04/18/2002 1:44:15 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I guess you better read it again.

OK, I read it again. Now, to review the bidding:

The original comment was this: Browne and most libertarians have a simple problem of wanting all or nothing, their way or the highway.

To which you replied: "There are never any compromises in our favor – producing smaller reductions than we might want. " ... This statement from the article belies your statement.

The full context of Browne's comment is this:

They tell you that in politics you must compromise. But all the compromises have been in the direction of bigger and more oppressive government. There are never any compromises in our favor – producing smaller reductions than we might want.

If you don't ask for what you want – if you don't demand what you want as the price of your support – you shouldn't be surprised that you never get what you really want.

When are you going to raise your sights – and stop supporting those who are selling out your few remaining liberties?

This reads like Harry Browne saying "no compromise." Far from "belying" the original comment, it tends to support the contention that Browne wants all or nothing.

About the best face one can put on it is that phrase "all the compromises have been" implies that Browne thinks it's possible that "future compromises" might be in the direction of smaller, less oppressive government.

Browne didn't come right out and say that, however. And since Browne's proclamations more often than not have the damning "all or nothing" flavor, I'm unwilling to give his current comments the charitable interpretation.

As for the "most libertarians" part of the claim, I think FR has accumulated enough examples of "all or nothing" to satisfy a reasonable person that the claim is substantially correct.

79 posted on 04/18/2002 1:45:31 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

The old, ugly, scowling, and embittered spinster with the humpback and warts can always blame her lifelong loneliness on the low tastes of males.

80 posted on 04/18/2002 1:57:08 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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