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To: hawaiian
Coleman's site is at http://www.colemanforsenate.com/

Can someone go there -- then come back and tell me WHAT this guy stands for -- besides ELECTION to the Senate?

I smell a RINO -- again!

But he'd be BETTER than Wellstone, right?

Wrong!

At least we KNOW that Wellstone will trash the Constitution in plain sight.

This guy could do HIS damage out of sight -- behind the cloak of Republicanism.

Anybody ELSE getting sick of that crap?

21 posted on 04/16/2002 10:33:57 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
But he'd be BETTER than Wellstone, right? Wrong!

At least we KNOW that Wellstone will trash the Constitution in plain sight.

No, you're wrong. As long as he votes to elect a Republican leadership in the Senate, things like ANWR drilling and judicial appointments that would pass in the full Senate can't be held from a vote by Tommy Daschle. You've gotta look at the big picture.

28 posted on 04/16/2002 10:51:38 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Dick Bachert
No. I am sick of Daschle. Having a RINO is better than Wellstone. He can be balanced by Miller and others to get something done.
29 posted on 04/16/2002 10:52:38 AM PDT by not-alone
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To: Dick Bachert
Looks like my website is working already:

www.wellstonemustgo.com

31 posted on 04/16/2002 11:10:49 AM PDT by gore_sux
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To: Dick Bachert
Judge Pickering failed in the Senate committee there was not one more Republican in the Senate. Result: one less pro-life judge on the Federal Court of Appeals.

Norm Coleman is pro-life (at least according to the MN FReeps I talked to). Would you like to have Socialist over Coleman?

I can't believe I'm actually hearing people pull for Wellstone over Coleman on what is suppose to be a "conservative news forum."

Everytime a Democrat stays in power is time they use to "mainstream" there liberal ideas. Your brand of politics is to drive conservative ideas off a cliff.

32 posted on 04/16/2002 11:10:51 AM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Dick Bachert
Yeah, and Trent Lott is no different than Daschole, get a clue.
34 posted on 04/16/2002 11:13:46 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing
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To: Dick Bachert
yeah I'm sick of Liberal congressmen barring conservative judges from the courts
49 posted on 04/16/2002 12:04:43 PM PDT by linn37
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To: Dick Bachert
WRONG!

If we don't get good judges on the courts, the Constitution will never be respected. You can send a vegetable to the Senate, but make sure it's a Republican vegetable so Bush's appointments make it through.

Once they have a real chance--with the White House, House, Senate--if they blow it, I'll mutiny, but not yet.

50 posted on 04/16/2002 12:13:43 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: Dick Bachert
>> Can someone go there -- then come back and tell me WHAT this guy stands for -- besides ELECTION to the Senate?

Sure.


" I support charter schools, standardized student testing, and requiring teachers to pass competency tests in their subjects."
I"'ll fight for free and fair trade and to open new markets. I'll support federal programs that give Minnesota farmers a fair price for what they produce."
"I oppose regional dairy compacts and federal policies that disadvantage Minnesota's dairy farmers. "[I believe] ugrading our state's bridges, highways, and waterways is essential to expanding the marketplace for Minnesota’s farm products."
As mayor of St. Paul I'm proud that the Gopher State Ethanol plant on West Seventh Street is buying three million bushels of Minnesota corn each year Bring Honesty and Integrity Back to Government ...Pushing bitter partisanship aside, in a straightforward, honest way we could get these important things done. As mayor, I pledged to revitalize my city, and I've done it. As U.S. Senator, I'll keep my promises - Minnesotans deserve no less from their elected representatives.

"As Mayor he kept his commitment to a zero percent increase in the property tax levy for seven years in a row, and Saint Paul just recently received its first ‘AAA’ bond rating...unprecedented in the city’s history. The value of taxable property in the core downtown has more than doubled, and every neighborhood has seen an increase in property value.
Norm has made public safety a priority while serving as Mayor, as well. By adding 40 more police officers and working with neighborhoods, the City has expanded community-based policing. The result has been a drop in the violent crime rate since 1993
By working closely with Superintendent Patricia Harvey, together they have forged exemplary models of choice and parental involvement thru traditional public school programs, as well as innovative charter schools. As home to the nation’s first charter school, Norm has championed education reform, leading an initiative to bring 20 new charter schools to Saint Paul.
Norm has created a national model for building public/private partnerships. He brought together the top 20 CEO’s of the region to create the Capital City Partnership which is committed to promoting, marketing and developing Saint Paul. In January 2001, Norm received the United States Conference of Mayor’s Award of Excellence in Public/Private Partnerships.
Norm recently served as Chair of the George W. Bush campaign in Minnesota
"Coleman campaigned Wednesday in Red Wing and readily acknowledged that he and Wellstone - his opponent in November - are miles apart in political philosophy.
[If elected] in many instances the senators' votes [Coleman and Dayton's] would cancel each other. That was often the case when Minnesotans were represented by Republican Rod Grams and Wellstone - two senators frequently at opposite extremes. Wellstone and Dayton can't get much farther left on the political spectrum. The Congressional Quarterly study showed that Dayton sided with his party's positions more than 99 percent of the time in 2001. The second study, based on preliminary rankings by Americans for Democratic Action, gave Dayton a "liberal quotient" of 100 based on his voting record.
Dayton's record practically mirrors that of Wellstone. Indeed, Wellstone and Dayton ranked first and second, respectively, in opposing Presidnet Bush's positions last year.
"[Coleman] got across his message that he pledged to reduce taxes, but he never let Minnesotans know his accomplishments.
In that regard, Coleman has much to boast about in his record as St. Paul mayor - revitalization of downtown and surrounding neighborhoods, no increase in taxes for eight years, the first-ever AAA bond rating for the city, landing an NHL franchise.
The record is that much more impressive given the fact that Coleman governed as a Republican mayor in a Democratic stronghold."
--Editorial: Coleman offers a voice Red Wing Eagle - January 24, 2002 [link to article on Coleman's website]
"Moderate, pro-choice Republicans believe that Coleman's pro-life views will make him an ineffective statewide candidate...
[In]...the April 21 issue, the editors [all liberals] dissect Coleman's candidacy and its ramifications. We agree with much of what they said particularly the assertion that Coleman may now be too closely tied to the White House and its positions on issues like the environment and energy
---How Vulnerable is Wellstone? "Clearly Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone is the most vulnerable incumbent of his party." The Cook Political [FULL ARTICLE QUOTED ON COLEMAN'S WEBSITE]

So, from his website, I have CONFIRMED that Coleman is:
--a huge supporter of charter schools (and [probably vouchers)
-- supports requiring teachers to pass competency tests in their subjects.
-- a centrist on trade issues (supports free trade in some circumstances, fair trade in others)
--strongly opposes the Jim Jeffords' regional dairy compacts (cartel) and other buerucratic federal policies interfering with farmers (so-called "conservative" 'RATs like Zell Miller are to the LEFT of Coleman on that issue)
--believes in Ethanol plants to market more farm products from Minnesota (opposed by guys like John McCain)
--has committeed and has always kept his commitment to a zero percent increase in property taxes
--big supporter of defense, millitary, and police upgrading
-- works constantly to expand public/private partnerships, and return power to the people instead of the government.
--ACKNOWLEDGES rumors that he will vote exactly the OPPOSITE of ultra-liberal MN Senator Dayton (as well as his opponent Wellstone)
--pledged to CUT taxes if elected (obviously supported the Bush tax cut)
--Has solid pro-life views. So much so that even "moderate" Republicans are running around complaining about it.
--Has scared liberal's stiff by impling he will support the Bush white house Energy/Enviro policies in LOCKSTEP (that includes drilling in ANWR, the gulf of mexico, etc.)

>> how is this guy different from Wellstone? I smell another RINO

I was not aware that Paul Wellstone is pro-life, pro-ANWR, pro-tax cuts, anti-property tax, pro-school vouchers, anti-government expansion like Coleman. If Mayor Coleman is your idea of a RINO (even though he hates RINOs like Jeffords), I'd hate to see your idea of a conservative. Perhaps you can explain why guys like Senator Nelson (D-Neb.) and Senator Miller (D-Ga.) can have views TO THE LEFT of Coleman and still managed to have a bunch of freepers praise them for being so "conservative".

51 posted on 04/16/2002 12:17:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Dick Bachert
Get a grip. Doesn't the name of Judge Pickering ring a bell with you? Unless the Republicans knock Li'l Tommy Daschle off his hobbyhorse as Bolshevik (excuse me, "Majority") Leader of the Senate, there will be many more Pickerings.

Would it be ideal to have a Senate Majority in the hands od staunch conservatives? Of course. But Coleman is going to be the Republican nominee in Minnesota. If Wellstone is going to be kicked out, Coleman will have to do it.

When the new Senate meets in January, you can be certain that Wellstone will vote against the next Judge Pickering. He will also vote against the next JUSTICE Pickering, when it comes time for Bush to make his first nomination to replace a retiring Supreme Court Justice. You can be equally sure that if Coleman is there, he will vote FOR the next Judge (or Justice) Pickering.

Vladimir Lenin would be slightly more conservative than Wellstone.

Anyone who cares about the Constitution should work hard in every contested race to get the more conservative Republican nominated. But regardless of who wins the Republican nomination, if you care about the Constitution you should support ANY Republican who is running against a vulnerable Democrat.

In plain terms, that means suck it up and support Coleman against Wellstone. That means suck it up and support Thune against Johnson in South Dakota.

Yes, I know Thune voted for Shays-Meehan. Yes, I consider Shays-Meehan an abomination, and will be attacking it in the Supreme Court. But if you want better judges on the federal benches and better Justices on the Supreme Court, you need to think it through more than you have to date.

Congressman Billybob

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63 posted on 04/16/2002 1:40:21 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Dick Bachert
But he'd be BETTER than Wellstone, right?

Wrong!

Almost anyone would be better than Wellstone. What's a matter with you?

74 posted on 04/16/2002 2:58:34 PM PDT by Gorest Gump
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To: Dick Bachert
You are a moron!!
79 posted on 04/16/2002 3:44:17 PM PDT by mac_truck
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