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What Kind of Computer? (Pure vanity)
My wittle, bitty brain | Tax day! | American Dreamer

Posted on 04/15/2002 6:21:31 AM PDT by American Dreamer

OK, all of you out there in internet land...

The wife and I need to buy a new computer. Rather than let the boys down at Circuit City and/or Best Buy push the most expensive one onto us (with a lot of bells and whistles we don't need), I thought I'd see what my fellow Freepers recommend. We are looking for one that will not break our bank or be outdated next month.

OUR NEEDS: We use our current system for surfing the web, creating documents, and the rest of the "basics". With the new system we will be doing a lot of digital photography, and possibly a home-based business. A DVD player is a desired option, along with a CD-burner. We don't do a whole lot of gaming or graphic-intensive stuff, but it would be nice to know we could if we wanted.

So, what do you folks recommend? Most important, what should we stay away from? Words like Celeron and Pentium mean nothing to me (yeah, it's a wonder I can even turn one of these beasts on!) Anyone know of any "deals" out there?


TOPICS: Technical; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: computerselection; features; gadgets
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To: Voltage
Do not buy from those crookd at Dell.
41 posted on 04/15/2002 9:27:25 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: Kermit
Plenty of copies of OS's for sale at Ebay.

Even the most diehard Gates-worshippers will probably agree that Win ME is a major turkey. Win 2000 is best, Win XP a close second, but if you want to recycle a lot of older components you may have to go to Win 98SE to get the driver availability.

42 posted on 04/15/2002 12:03:39 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday
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To: Charlotte Corday
I'm running an almost 2-year-old comp on Win XP, almost flawlessly. The one componant that doesnt have driver support is my TV tuner... the manufacturer says the driver release is pending.
43 posted on 04/15/2002 12:18:30 PM PDT by jude24
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To: AppyPappy, General_Re
My computer geek (and highly paid computer consultant) nephew told me that the drives couldn't be read. Ah, what's an NTFS?
44 posted on 04/15/2002 12:50:08 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
WindowsNT/Windows2000 can use a format called NTFS instead of FAT tables. This renders the disk unreadable to Windows95/98/ME machines.
45 posted on 04/15/2002 12:51:57 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AFreeBird
I have an ASUS P2B and a FIC 503+. The ASUS is a good board.
46 posted on 04/15/2002 12:52:53 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: American Dreamer
I was going to get a Dell. I ended up buying a Sony Vaio. Then, I ended up buying another Vaio- notebook version.

Don't count Sony out. Both systems ended up being loaded like I wanted, and were cheaper than the Dells. I was very pleasantly surprised.

47 posted on 04/15/2002 12:56:58 PM PDT by abner
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To: mille99
Just set up my new Dell Dimension 4400 on Saturday. Pentium 4 with Windows XP. So far, very good. Only problem seems to be hooking up my HP Laserjet 3100. According to a thread here yesterday, HP hasn't provided drivers for Windows XP.

I got my Dell Dimension 4400 last Tuesday and I love it. I did have to get me a new printer though as Windows XP did not reconize the driver of my old one HP Deskjet 612c. My new one is a HP deskjet 920c which I bought at Circuit City and is compatable to Windows XP

48 posted on 04/15/2002 1:01:54 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: AppyPappy; Kermit
My computer geek (and highly paid computer consultant) nephew told me that the drives couldn't be read. Ah, what's an NTFS?

WindowsNT/Windows2000 can use a format called NTFS instead of FAT tables. This renders the disk unreadable to Windows95/98/ME machines.

NTFS=(Windows)NT File System. It can only be read by a system capable of reading NTFS. You cannot normally boot DOS and go to drive C: and read its contents if it is NTFS. NTFS allows windows NT to control access. More than just FAT tables, it also contains permissions and rights filters.

There are drivers to allow you to read and modify an NTFS partition. Win98 NTFS and NTFS for DOS

49 posted on 04/15/2002 2:15:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: American Dreamer
In all honesty, if you want your computer to be the "digital hub" for your digital camera, camcorder, etc. then you REALLY want to take a good, hard look at the new Imac. Macs simply blow PC's away when it comes to handling things like video, pictures, MP3 files etc. I use PC's, Macs and Unix machines every day, and they all have their place. If I could only have one machine it would be a Mac.
50 posted on 04/15/2002 2:18:09 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: American Dreamer
Definitely LOOK at a new iMac. They are all-in-one units with a flat panel display.

Take your digital camera with you to the Apple store (with your USB cable, if you have one). Ask if you can download a couple pictures to see how it works. They say yes, then ask them to step aside. Plug the USB cable into the side of the keyboard, plug the cable into your camera and turn the camera on. The iMac will automatically launch either Image Capture or iPhoto, and ask if you want your pictures downloaded into iPhoto! Say YES, then see how they come out.

Play with the images once in iPhoto, re-sort and caption them. Crop, remove red-eye, see for yourself. Then pretend to send them for digital prints or email to someone. Print them on the store's printer.

If that isn't impressive enough, then we can throw around useless terms like NTFS, file systems, XP/ME/pee-pee, until your head spins.

Or you can just get something you have seen work with your own pictures and your own camera. Your choice, of course. And of course the iMac will do all the text editing, email, and browser duties.

What else did you need/want?

51 posted on 04/15/2002 9:21:42 PM PDT by Big Dan
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To: AFreeBird
What's the benefits of "dual chip motherboard"?
52 posted on 04/15/2002 10:44:19 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
Since AFreebird and AppyPappy covered the NTFS question - and I keep funny hours too ;) - I'll grab this one.

Basically, a dual-processor motherboard is exactly what it sounds like - instead of a single CPU, it has two that work alongside one another. The advantage to that is that it adds a significant amount of processing power, as you can imagine, since the two processors can split the workload between them, and complete tasks that much faster. It's not quite twice as fast as a same-speed single processor machine, since there's some overhead involved in getting the two processors to work together, but nevertheless, it's generally good for a speed boost of about 80% more than a same-speed single processor machine, depending on the task involved.

But, like everything in life, there's a downside. Dual-processor motherboards are somewhat more expensive than single-processor boards - they tend to be targeted at the workstation market, rather than the home market, for starters. Also, you have to, not surprisingly, buy two processors instead of one. Finally, you need more than just the hardware - you also need an operating system that can take advantage of multiple processors. That rules out Windows 9X/Me and the home version of XP right off the bat, since none of them support more than one processor. Which means that your choices are limited to Windows 2000 or XP-Professional, or some flavor of Unix.

53 posted on 04/15/2002 10:59:42 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Kermit
What's the benefits of "dual chip motherboard"?

Dual or more processors allow processing work to be spread out amongst them. In theory 2 400MHz processors can do work faster than a single one. This is usually seen in high end servers and requires that your OS support SMP (Symetric Multi Processing).

54 posted on 04/16/2002 6:45:15 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Voltage
Go to MWAVE.COM and build your own. Intel processor and Intel MB, you can't go wrong

Mwave.com Bump.
55 posted on 04/16/2002 6:47:48 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: TomServo
I'd stay away from HP. Just homebuild or get a Dell. Just my $.02.

Exactly....

56 posted on 04/16/2002 6:52:02 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: American Dreamer
I shopped and shopped for a new machine, and was either going to go with Dell or Micron. The problem is that you keep adding in just a bit more stuff, and you end up spending big bucks anyway. I finally bought Best Buy's new VPR Matrix, they make them themselves. One reason I liked doing it that way is I have a place to bring it if i need service. For $850, I got a 100GB hard drive, DVD drive, FAST CD-RW, 256K DDR RAM (on a single chip, on a Dell you get 2 128's, 1.6 GHz processor (plenty fast enough), 6 USB ports and lots of expansion slots. You definitely want some USB ports in front, for plugging in digital cameras and stuff.

Since you aren't a computer person, I would also recommend going to a local shop and having them build one for you.

57 posted on 04/16/2002 12:59:55 PM PDT by jdub
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To: American Dreamer
I got a very good custom system from CompuCheap. A reputable custom builder (check sites like Reseller Ratings) gives you a lot more flexibility to get the best components.
58 posted on 04/17/2002 5:40:09 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: American Dreamer

Go to this website!

You can purchase a computer from them with the Linux OS/desktop already loaded or buy a PC with no OS loaded and download the Lycoris Desktop LX for free. If you want it on CD with a manual it will still only cost you $29.99 and this desktop is SWEET!

It comes with a ton of software bundled with it and it will perform all of the tasks you have outlined flawlessly and it's a breeze to install.

Read a review here!


59 posted on 04/17/2002 5:57:35 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: American Dreamer
I recommend the new Apple iMac for quality, powerful features and ease of use.

It includes the new Mac OS X operating system and several excellent applications like iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie.


60 posted on 04/18/2002 6:27:08 PM PDT by HAL9000
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