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World court now a reality
Worldnet Daily ^ | 11 APR 02 | Mary Jo Anderson

Posted on 04/11/2002 9:27:44 AM PDT by tomakaze

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World court now a reality

Will supersede national sovereignty, even of countries refusing to ratify


Posted: April 11, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Mary Jo Anderson
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

NEW YORK – The International Criminal Court was officially instituted today at the United Nations headquarters.

The court, a permanent tribunal to prosecute "crimes against humanity," strides onto the world stage without the ratification of the United States. Deemed by some as a grave threat to national sovereignty, the United States has lodged strenuous objections to the ICC. As late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of former president Clinton, who signed the treaty on his last day in office. A signature indicates a nation's intent to seek ratification.

However, the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee would not bring the treaty to the Senate for a vote.

The Rome Statute, a treaty calling for the establishment of a world court to prosecute gross human rights abuse, was launched in 1998. The U.S., China, Iraq and Israel voted against the Statute that year, while nations that favored the court first signed, then ratified the treaty. The final four of the 60 ratifications necessary for the court to become operative were received today as the ninth preparatory committee session ("prepcom") of the International Criminal Court opened at the U.N.

The prepcom, chaired by Philippe Kirsch of Canada, will finalize the arrangements for nomination and election procedures for ICC judges. The first Assembly of States Parties is scheduled for this September at The Hague, Netherlands. Norway has agreed to contribute 784,000 Euros to cover early budgetary requirements for the Court.

Objections to the court by Americans are based largely on fears that such a court could bring politically motivated charges against U.S. presidents and military personnel. Crimes of "aggression" have not as yet been defined, leaving open to future interpretation any number of military operations. When one nation defends itself, is that aggression against another? So-called crimes against humanity include vague phrases such as injury to a population's "mental health." Who is to determine when such a crime has been perpetrated?

Any U.S. citizens prosecuted by the International Criminal Court will be denied the guarantees of the U.S. Constitution. As of yet, the process for electing and rotating ICC judges is incomplete. Opponents of the court suggest that world events in the near future could find the U.S. and its citizens at the mercy of a panel of judges from non-Western nations, or of nations that seek to extort favorable trade agreements from the U.S. Critics ask: What is to prevent the court from prosecuting a U.S. president that topples Saddam Hussein without first seeking assurance from the U.N. that such military activity would not be categorized as a war crime?

U.S. treaty specialists underscore the unique danger of the ICC: It is not a treaty among parties in agreement, but is instead a new, and many believe dangerous, species of an international instrument that subordinates all nation states in the world to the rule of the United Nations' court. The ICC can prosecute whenever it deems a nation's courts have failed to prosecute its own violators of "human rights." Never before has such power been held over nation states, say court critics.

Opponents of the ICC cite as an example of U.N. interference in domestic matters the April 4 report by U.N. special rapporteur on judges and lawyers Param Cumaraswamy. After a six-week investigation, Cumaraswamy accused Italian politicians of "interfering in the country's justice system." The rapporteur demanded a reform of the Italian justice system.

American supporters of the ICC dismiss those objections as "overwrought." Clinton appointee David Scheffer, former U.S. ambassador for war crimes, described the institution of the court as a "significant moment in world history." Scheffer, who was Clinton's point man for the ICC negotiations, now serves as senior vice president of the United Nations Association of the USA, a U.N. advocacy group.

Key European allies have accused the Bush administration's refusal to support the court as an example of U.S. "unilateralism" in an interdependent world. During important U.N. negotiations on issues from children's rights to trade disputes, European delegates have been increasingly hostile to what they characterize as the United States' "Lone Ranger" attitude. One U.S. delegate to the United Nations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, noted that Europeans were restless with American dominance since the fall of communist Russia: "They see the ICC as one means to curb U.S. power on this planet."

Several U.S. allies, notably Canada, have urged the Bush administration to support the court as a means to hold genocidal tyrants accountable for their crimes. Heretofore, special tribunals were held to try those charged with war crimes, such as Slobodan Milosevic. The ICC has the power to bring charges against individuals without the consent of their government.

The mechanism for charging citizens without the cooperation of their government – including those nations, such as the United States, that have refused to ratify the treaty – requires that charges be brought by the United Nations itself on behalf of another nation, ethnic group or non-governmental organization. Critics of the International Criminal Court fear that granting such powers to the United Nations sends a message that the U.N. is the definitive world organization that supersedes all nation states – which many regard as a serious assault on the concept of national sovereignty.

The ICC is a concept that dates from the WW II Nuremberg Trials. The United Nations pushed for the establishment of the court after the demise of the Cold War. The adoption of the Rome Statute in 1998 initiated sessions to draw up Rules of Procedure and Evidence for the Court. The U.S. has participated in those sessions, but was unable to delete all of the provisions it considered a threat to U.S. sovereignty.

Final ratifications from Bulgaria, Cambodia, Colombia, Ireland, Jordan, Mongolia, Romania, and Slovakia were deposited with the U.N. Secretary General's office.

The court will formally open for business July 1 in the Netherlands where temporary quarters for the court have been secured. The ICC cannot retroactively prosecute crimes under its jurisdiction.

Related story:

Global court puts U.S. in tough spot




Mary Jo Anderson is a contributing reporter to WorldNetDaily.



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To: packrat01
Well, they can try all they want. They hold no jurisdiction over me, or you, or anybody else. No matter what their wailings and teeth gnashing sessions, we can simply refuse as citizens to take part in this.

I did not authorize or give permission for somebody else, to authorize the transfer of my alligiance to a foreign power, not even by voting for my "representative". Nobody can ever give away my rights, period. Ergo, the treaty is null and void in my eyes, regardless of what the Traitor In Chief decides to do.

21 posted on 04/12/2002 11:52:19 AM PDT by Lumberjack
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To: packrat01, Lumberjack

I concur with Lumberjack's statements 100%.


22 posted on 04/12/2002 12:30:15 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Lumberjack
Bingo! Even if it's ratified in the Senate; it's still un-Constitutional.

How many sheeple will follow along unaware? Gobs of 'em...

23 posted on 04/12/2002 12:34:04 PM PDT by packrat01
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To: Joe Brower; Lumberjack
I concur as well. Come and take it Kofi, I DARE YA!
24 posted on 04/12/2002 12:37:07 PM PDT by WALLACE212
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To: tomakaze
The World Court and a United Nations tax are the lines in the sand that we need to draw and not let anyone cross. Let them dress up in their stupid robes and powdered wigs, let them print up the tax forms, but the day that they try to enforce anything here on U.S. soil is the day that the Second Amendment was written for.
25 posted on 04/12/2002 12:43:46 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: packrat01;WALLACE212;Joe Brower
Most people will eventually think that they should follow these goons. Mark my word, once this is ratified and passed (it will be, or do we still have some koolaid drinkers who think that it won't, just like CFR "won't ever be passed"), there will be a massive PR campaign featuring the World Court ruling on all kinds of morally disagreeable actions, to make them look like the good guys.

Its our job, from the get go, to make sure that not only doesn't their treason go unchallenged, but that we have a large contingent of people on our side willing to resist this.

You're either free, or your not. I'm tired of not being free. This is just one more reason why we need to stop this entire world movement towards neo-fascisim, and stop it now.

26 posted on 04/12/2002 12:45:45 PM PDT by Lumberjack
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To: WALLACE212

27 posted on 04/12/2002 12:47:13 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Lumberjack
"The Other Side" is good at the propoganda game, to be sure. Hitler got an entire nation to follow blindly, and he was small-time compared to the methods and capabilities in place today.

Good thing I could give a flying f*** what they think.

OPTIONS-

1) Victory

2) Death

To the last round fired in righteous anger, the last breath drawn in defiance, the last drop of blood shed for a cause most holy, LET FREEDOM RING!

28 posted on 04/12/2002 1:06:24 PM PDT by WALLACE212
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To: Spiff
RE:but the day that they try to enforce anything here on U.S. soil is the day that the Second Amendment was written for.
 
From what I've read about the tax it'll be sneaky and fly under most peoples radar - something like a minute percentage on bank transactions that the bank will collect under everyones nose. then once established it'll increase (like this sort of thing always does.)
Evil.
29 posted on 04/12/2002 4:53:17 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze, steve50
tomakaze:
It's also worth noting that Bush the Younger made no attempt to get out of it.

steve50:
Bush must be sure he can control it from touching the neocons, he passed on his chance to preserve the Constitutional rights of American citizens.

World Net Daily:
As late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of former president Clinton, who signed the treaty on his last day in office.
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Key European allies have accused the Bush administration's refusal to support the court as an example of U.S. "unilateralism" in an interdependent world.
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Several U.S. allies, notably Canada, have urged the Bush administration to support the court as a means to hold genocidal tyrants accountable for their crimes.

I must be missing something here. The article seems to make it quite clear that Bush does not agree with the court, and is trying to find a way to retract the signature of Clinton. Are we reading the same article?
30 posted on 04/13/2002 12:47:35 AM PDT by VRWC_Member428
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To: tomakaze
The tax that the UN wants to impose, is on CURRENCY EXCHANGE . The vast majority of people, here and abroad, do NOT regularly change from their currency into another countries. It won't " fly under " anyone's radar, as banks , in the USA , are required to list all fees.

This doesn't have a lot of chance to be passed here, so do, please, enjoy your delusional nightmares, about things you dond't seem to know anything about. : - )

31 posted on 04/13/2002 1:01:52 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Joe Brower
BLOAT some more!
32 posted on 04/13/2002 1:05:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: VRWC_Member428
Yes, we are. It's my understanding he has the Constitutional authority to remove the signature. So I can't understand what he's looking for, unless he just needs the court to have credibility until it's done with Milosevic.
33 posted on 04/13/2002 4:36:40 AM PDT by steve50
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To: fogarty
RE:President Bush had both the ability and power to remove the signature - or at the very least come out with a public statement saying it was null and void in his eyes. But he refused to do either
 
exactly.
34 posted on 04/13/2002 1:44:23 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: nopardons
RE:The tax that the UN wants to impose, is on CURRENCY EXCHANGE . The vast majority of people, here and abroad, do NOT regularly change from their currency into another countries. It won't " fly under " anyone's radar, as banks , in the USA , are required to list all fees.
 
A usefull detail, which I did not get from the stuff I'd read about it. Still, Camel's noses and tents... thin end of wedges... etc etc.
 
<>This doesn't have a lot of chance to be passed here,
Which is why a vote was bypassed.
 
so do, please, enjoy your delusional nightmares, about things you dond't seem to know anything about. : - )
 
I appreciate the extra info (above), but spare me the condescensing crap.
Spin on it :-)
35 posted on 04/13/2002 1:52:27 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
RE:condescensing
@!&%!... typo. I'll berate myself before the grammer/spelling nazi's dogpile on.
36 posted on 04/13/2002 1:55:20 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
There was no " condesention " in my reply. Since you do NOT know the particulars, you can't make reasoned nor rational posts. Ergo, they are merely delsional; based on your own fears, and nonexistant threats.

Since the real target, of the UN tax, is worldwide corporations , they aren't going to sit still for it and American banks won't want to become tax collectors for the UN, they are going to have to rethink this garbage. Their is NO " camel's nose " here.

37 posted on 04/13/2002 9:13:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Their = There
38 posted on 04/13/2002 9:17:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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