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World court now a reality
Worldnet Daily ^ | 11 APR 02 | Mary Jo Anderson

Posted on 04/11/2002 9:27:44 AM PDT by tomakaze

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World court now a reality

Will supersede national sovereignty, even of countries refusing to ratify


Posted: April 11, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Mary Jo Anderson
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

NEW YORK – The International Criminal Court was officially instituted today at the United Nations headquarters.

The court, a permanent tribunal to prosecute "crimes against humanity," strides onto the world stage without the ratification of the United States. Deemed by some as a grave threat to national sovereignty, the United States has lodged strenuous objections to the ICC. As late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of former president Clinton, who signed the treaty on his last day in office. A signature indicates a nation's intent to seek ratification.

However, the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee would not bring the treaty to the Senate for a vote.

The Rome Statute, a treaty calling for the establishment of a world court to prosecute gross human rights abuse, was launched in 1998. The U.S., China, Iraq and Israel voted against the Statute that year, while nations that favored the court first signed, then ratified the treaty. The final four of the 60 ratifications necessary for the court to become operative were received today as the ninth preparatory committee session ("prepcom") of the International Criminal Court opened at the U.N.

The prepcom, chaired by Philippe Kirsch of Canada, will finalize the arrangements for nomination and election procedures for ICC judges. The first Assembly of States Parties is scheduled for this September at The Hague, Netherlands. Norway has agreed to contribute 784,000 Euros to cover early budgetary requirements for the Court.

Objections to the court by Americans are based largely on fears that such a court could bring politically motivated charges against U.S. presidents and military personnel. Crimes of "aggression" have not as yet been defined, leaving open to future interpretation any number of military operations. When one nation defends itself, is that aggression against another? So-called crimes against humanity include vague phrases such as injury to a population's "mental health." Who is to determine when such a crime has been perpetrated?

Any U.S. citizens prosecuted by the International Criminal Court will be denied the guarantees of the U.S. Constitution. As of yet, the process for electing and rotating ICC judges is incomplete. Opponents of the court suggest that world events in the near future could find the U.S. and its citizens at the mercy of a panel of judges from non-Western nations, or of nations that seek to extort favorable trade agreements from the U.S. Critics ask: What is to prevent the court from prosecuting a U.S. president that topples Saddam Hussein without first seeking assurance from the U.N. that such military activity would not be categorized as a war crime?

U.S. treaty specialists underscore the unique danger of the ICC: It is not a treaty among parties in agreement, but is instead a new, and many believe dangerous, species of an international instrument that subordinates all nation states in the world to the rule of the United Nations' court. The ICC can prosecute whenever it deems a nation's courts have failed to prosecute its own violators of "human rights." Never before has such power been held over nation states, say court critics.

Opponents of the ICC cite as an example of U.N. interference in domestic matters the April 4 report by U.N. special rapporteur on judges and lawyers Param Cumaraswamy. After a six-week investigation, Cumaraswamy accused Italian politicians of "interfering in the country's justice system." The rapporteur demanded a reform of the Italian justice system.

American supporters of the ICC dismiss those objections as "overwrought." Clinton appointee David Scheffer, former U.S. ambassador for war crimes, described the institution of the court as a "significant moment in world history." Scheffer, who was Clinton's point man for the ICC negotiations, now serves as senior vice president of the United Nations Association of the USA, a U.N. advocacy group.

Key European allies have accused the Bush administration's refusal to support the court as an example of U.S. "unilateralism" in an interdependent world. During important U.N. negotiations on issues from children's rights to trade disputes, European delegates have been increasingly hostile to what they characterize as the United States' "Lone Ranger" attitude. One U.S. delegate to the United Nations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, noted that Europeans were restless with American dominance since the fall of communist Russia: "They see the ICC as one means to curb U.S. power on this planet."

Several U.S. allies, notably Canada, have urged the Bush administration to support the court as a means to hold genocidal tyrants accountable for their crimes. Heretofore, special tribunals were held to try those charged with war crimes, such as Slobodan Milosevic. The ICC has the power to bring charges against individuals without the consent of their government.

The mechanism for charging citizens without the cooperation of their government – including those nations, such as the United States, that have refused to ratify the treaty – requires that charges be brought by the United Nations itself on behalf of another nation, ethnic group or non-governmental organization. Critics of the International Criminal Court fear that granting such powers to the United Nations sends a message that the U.N. is the definitive world organization that supersedes all nation states – which many regard as a serious assault on the concept of national sovereignty.

The ICC is a concept that dates from the WW II Nuremberg Trials. The United Nations pushed for the establishment of the court after the demise of the Cold War. The adoption of the Rome Statute in 1998 initiated sessions to draw up Rules of Procedure and Evidence for the Court. The U.S. has participated in those sessions, but was unable to delete all of the provisions it considered a threat to U.S. sovereignty.

Final ratifications from Bulgaria, Cambodia, Colombia, Ireland, Jordan, Mongolia, Romania, and Slovakia were deposited with the U.N. Secretary General's office.

The court will formally open for business July 1 in the Netherlands where temporary quarters for the court have been secured. The ICC cannot retroactively prosecute crimes under its jurisdiction.

Related story:

Global court puts U.S. in tough spot




Mary Jo Anderson is a contributing reporter to WorldNetDaily.



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this may have already been posted. I couldn't find it with a search. (but I did find a reuters article someone posted)
Sneaky Clinton B.S., snuck in at the last minute. No Senate vote (and to be totaly honest, given all the socialists in the senate, I wouldn't regard it as valid even if they did approve it) undoubtedly becuase they knew it wouldn't pass muster. it's also worth noting that Bush the Younger made no attempt to get out of it. Like father like son I guess. (a reuters article made mention of "looking into it" - yeah. right.)
3 judge tribunal picked from places the likes of Syria, Liby and North Korea. No habeas corpus. Yippee!
 
[unrelated but well worth mentioning- the site rework looks and functions damn good! Outstanding! well done, guys.]
1 posted on 04/11/2002 9:27:44 AM PDT by tomakaze
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2 posted on 04/11/2002 9:31:27 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: tomakaze
Bush must be sure he can control it from touching the neocons, he passed on his chance to preserve the Constitutional rights of American citizens.

Our Constituion has lost even the illusion of protecting our freedoms now.

A man who loves his Constitution and freedoms has about as much business in the Republican or Democratic Party as a preacher does in a whorehouse.......if he's not converting the heathens he's got some damn explaining to do

3 posted on 04/11/2002 9:35:47 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
The "court" will be controlled by leftist apparatchiks pushing their agenda by means of "justice." Just like in Belgium and its politically selective "war crimes" prosecutions. Since it will be controlled by the leftists, and anti-Americanism is currently their unifying identity, Americans will be the targets, along with others that are seen as in the American "camp."
5 posted on 04/11/2002 10:20:54 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
RE:No! No! No! This is all part of Bush Jr.s brilliant out witting of the Democrats. You see, shreading the Bill Of Right is all part of his wonderful master plan of putting Dashel in a box
 
A brilliantly executed "strategery", so cunning and intricately designed that I simply can't wrap my feeble freedom loving mind around it. Genius! :-)
far as I'm concerned "W" is out. the guy's new nickname oughtta be "Judas". sits pretty well I think.
6 posted on 04/11/2002 10:28:25 AM PDT by tomakaze
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To: Pissed Off Janitor;steve50
As late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of former president Clinton, who signed the treaty on his last day in office. A signature indicates a nation's intent to seek ratification. However, the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee would not bring the treaty to the Senate for a vote.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I'm a little puzzled how Bush is to blame when a Senate committee won't even allow a vote by the full Senate -- Pickering style. How can you blame Bush when Democraps on the Foreign Relations Committee, led by that walking advertisement for hair transplants, Joe Biden, kept the request bottled up? A vote by the full Senate, even if it went the wrong way, would put prominent anti-American Democraps and socialists like Sanders and Jeffords on the record --something they avoid like vampires avoid dawn.

Can anyone here suggest a course of action Bush could have taken that would have avoided this outcome?

7 posted on 04/11/2002 10:37:45 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: ouroboros; Snuffington; Inspector Harry Callahan; Greg 4TCP; cva66snipe; Askel5; ppaul; ex-snook...
BUMP
8 posted on 04/11/2002 10:48:46 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: Bernard Marx
It is my understanding that Bush had the option of removing the official signature of the President of the United States from it, removing the possibility that Congress could enact it if it wanted to. So you have no problem with this, like CFR, getting thru our so-called conservative president?
9 posted on 04/11/2002 10:49:30 AM PDT by steve50
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To: steve50
So you have no problem with this, like CFR, getting thru our so-called conservative president?

That's one hell of a leap in logic and a distortion to boot. Where did I say that?

As for removing the signature, isn't that what the story said he was asking the Senate for? Where have you found information supporting your statement he could do it on his own? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want facts.

10 posted on 04/11/2002 10:56:57 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: tomakaze
No International Court can demand anything of the U.S. If they make any "ruling" that is detrimental to our best interests, we just cut off every dollar to every country that bottom-feeds off of us. A week later they'll be begging for forgiveness.
11 posted on 04/11/2002 11:09:34 AM PDT by dubyas_vision
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To: Bernard Marx
Can anyone here suggest a course of action Bush could have taken that would have avoided this outcome?

Begged and pleaded with his Dad and Bob Dole NOT to stand up and "send a message" during impeachment that Clinton's actual removal would have sullied the decorum of the semen-stained office?

This might have had the additional advantage of obviating entirely the "Mad Bomber's" moral war in Serbia, the use of the "New" NATO to legitimize the Euro Soviet's collectivized security system and the US's being charged with sussing out and bribing the hostile witnesses -- and agents of "genocide" -- necessary to seal Milosevic's show trial and hand-deliver a critical win to Carla Del Ponte.

12 posted on 04/11/2002 11:28:58 AM PDT by Askel5
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If they make any "ruling" that is detrimental to our best interests, we just cut off every dollar to every country that bottom-feeds off of us. A week later they'll be begging for forgiveness.

How soon we forget the clenched fist to the face that was 9/11.

What some folks fail to notice -- given our stunning victories as we do the former Soviets' dirty work in places like Afghanistan and Georgia ... rolling out Worldwide the red carpet we laid for the former Soviets in Pristina -- is that we're not allowed to blow our nose without permission from here on out.

For Pete's sake, let's cut the empty threats and please "Keep Spending". Without the debt that drives our pinstriped Public Servants sorts at the Fed -- and powers the redistribution of American income gilt with Funny Money worldwide -- we hamsters could be in a world of hurt.

It's not as if our Useful Idiots aren't poised to enjoy the gamut of PATRIOT ACT powers as well as open our borders, cut off our water at will and up the ante (far more than anticipated) with certain other newly minted coins to protect and serve "the Peoples' Will".

13 posted on 04/11/2002 11:44:27 AM PDT by Askel5
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(Smiling...I think.) I guess I should have included the word "President" Dubya. Of course the s.o.b. should have been thrown out of office but that was another failure of the Senate.
14 posted on 04/11/2002 11:45:24 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
As for removing the signature, isn't that what the story said he was asking the Senate for?

President Bush did not have to go to congress to remove the signature. What the article referred to was that Congress refused to even consider ratification of the agreement when Clinton signed it first, back in December. President Bush had both the ability and power to remove the signature - or at the very least come out with a public statement saying it was null and void in his eyes. But he refused to do either.

15 posted on 04/11/2002 11:52:50 AM PDT by fogarty
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I did mis-read the article. Thanks.
16 posted on 04/11/2002 12:09:17 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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C'mon W. Trash this thing. If you're have to be a socialist, at least be a nationalist.

Oh, wait a minute...

17 posted on 04/11/2002 1:14:56 PM PDT by Tauzero
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
BRAVO! You just gave the best representation of kool-aid logic yet. "All part of the plan...just you wait! The GOP will save us!"
18 posted on 04/11/2002 1:35:30 PM PDT by Scholastic
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To: Bernard Marx
I think that the committee refused to put "ratification of the ICC" to a vote not "removal of the signature". At least that is the way I read it.

Bush should remove our signature ASAP. Then congress should pass a resolution/law stating that no US citizen will be held to stand before "the abortion of justice called the ICC" and that any attempt to do so will be met with the full vicious force of the U.S.M.C.!

EBUCK

19 posted on 04/12/2002 9:13:36 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Joe Brower; bang_list
As late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of former president Clinton, who signed the treaty on his last day in office. A signature indicates a nation's intent to seek ratification.

Coming soon to a courtroom near you: The American Gun Owner...

reckon?

20 posted on 04/12/2002 11:40:20 AM PDT by packrat01
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