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We Can't Get Along Without Saudi Oil
Washington Post ^ | 4/9/02 | Robinson West

Posted on 04/10/2002 6:53:17 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Since Sept. 11 there has been growing skepticism toward the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, both as an ally that does not share our goals and values and as the key supplier of oil. To reinforce this position, some critics have maintained that we will soon not need Saudi oil, and that the kingdom's role of supplier of last resort can be replaced by a new energy colossus, Russia. This reasoning is essentially flawed and could bring disaster if followed to its logical consequences.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: russianoil; saudioil
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
If I said what I really felt about the Compost, the Side Bar Moderator would correctly remove my post/reply!

This vile fishwrap and the NY Slimes are two of Americas vilest enemies. They work 24/7 to weaken America/Americans and push the agendas of the left and the Opecker Princes.

41 posted on 04/10/2002 10:37:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: ml/nj
Quite. Or as I like to put it...

If the Saudis decide they must cut off the oil, then we do a few things. First, take some fat old men for helicopter rides. Explain to them the justified anger of the American people over events in New York, and the important mistakes in Saudi oil policy related to those justified concerns. Then let them exit the helicopter, at 1000 feet, over pavement. Be sure to get it on film for CNN.

Next, sell the country to Exxon for a 25% gross royalty. Use 5% of it to pay to wall off all the oil production areas from the rest of the country, with 400 yard belts of mines and razor wire, guarded by (air conditioned) US Marines. Offer half of the remaining royalities to any pro-US government that might arise outside the wire, and otherwise let them pound sand and revert to herding camels.

No more Saudi ownership of oil, therefore no more Saudi oil, therefore no more reliance on Saudi oil. Problem solved. For those in Palm Beach, the point is that military power is trump, and the Saudis own exactly what we say they own, and not one drop more. As long as they are tolerably pro-US, it is in our interest to let them profit from the use of the oil, since it spares us having to run the awful place. If they ever stop providing that service, then we stop needing them, and shortly thereafter they stop owning anything.

42 posted on 04/10/2002 10:38:50 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: citizenY2K
why are we spending so much on millitary without any returns ?

The price of oil is low, oil is readily available in any quantity you need. Would oil be any cheaper or would access to oil be any more secure if the military occupied the land as a colony or territory?

Don't look at just the cost of oil, many other factors are involved as well. Controlling a territory by force is very expensive, and next to impossible if the locals are not willing. Ask any empire.

43 posted on 04/10/2002 10:44:02 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: biblewonk
We turn the coal into synthetic oil(just like S Africa). Expensive now, but remember the economies of scale.
44 posted on 04/10/2002 10:52:51 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: wirestripper
The energy needed can only come from a cold fusion type of technology. We are working on it. Anti-matter is another possibility. It will come to pass and likely in the nick of time.

Never happen. Even trying to make it happen is a waste of money almost as bad as the space station.

45 posted on 04/10/2002 11:06:43 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: kaktuskid
We turn the coal into synthetic oil(just like S Africa). Expensive now, but remember the economies of scale.

There is also suppose to be a Saudi Arabia's worth of oil in the oil sands of Canada. I think it pays off at about 25.00 per barrel.

46 posted on 04/10/2002 11:07:53 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Betcha the long term strad is to shut the lost-cost-to-produce sources off the market. Russian, ANWR oil is comming but will cost much more to produce. Bottom line? Too much oil. Don't think so? Think some more Kimo Sabi.
47 posted on 04/10/2002 11:10:15 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Jay W
Ahhhh, The "Giant Caspian Sea Reserves".
As soon as they decide which Pipeline to build,this may be the beginning of the U.S. being able to say "No thanks Saudi Arabia".-As long as Putin and President Bush keep it all together.I think there are four separate Lines proposed,ALL well w/in the reach of Anti-Israeli,and Anti-USA Terrorists.I'll say it again,Some Car manufacturer should come up / a car that runs on "Something" as good as Oil and still "allow the car to accelerate at a fairly good pace".I'd buy one just to "NOT" give the 'Saudi's' or other oil producing country,(except say Venezuela) any more money.
48 posted on 04/10/2002 11:18:43 AM PDT by Pagey
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To: biblewonk
Never happen. Even trying to make it happen is a waste of money almost as bad as the space station.

LOL! Those words were said about the Wright brothers as well.

Now go stick your head back in the sand.

BTW, the space stations real purpose is a learning experience about construction in space. It will pave the way for larger and more elaborate building which will make long range spacecraft a reality of the future. I am all for it! We need to get off this rotting apple we call home and sow our seed in the stars.

49 posted on 04/10/2002 11:28:27 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
LOL! Those words were said about the Wright brothers as well. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

That's so clichet. Sometimes those words are true like with time travel, interplantary travel, evolution etc etc.

BTW, the space stations real purpose is a learning experience about construction in space. It will pave the way for larger and more elaborate building which will make long range spacecraft a reality of the future. I am all for it! We need to get off this rotting apple we call home and sow our seed in the stars.

No it won't. That will never happen. BTW there is no other life in the universe either. I'd rather my head be in the sand than where your's is. LOL back at cha.

50 posted on 04/10/2002 12:10:57 PM PDT by biblewonk
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To: StriperSniper
to #28

'Russian Weather' can't be much worse than ANWR in the winter.

Correct, but BOTH (Russia and ANWR) are very bad for Saudis. Both promise cold winter and cold... shoulder to Arabs. With their friends and lobbyists.

51 posted on 04/10/2002 1:04:55 PM PDT by Alexandre
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To: wirestripper
to #39

The energy needed can only come from a cold fusion type of technology. We are working on it. Anti-matter is another possibility. It will come to pass and likely in the nick of time.

Do not make me laughing. Cold fusion proved to be a hoax (17 years old), probably unitentional. Anti-matter clusters were not found by astronomers in the visible part of Universe so far, forget the Earth.

Pardon me for ruining your illusions, but NOBODY IS WORKING ON THOSE TWO (that's my professional field). Better build a windmill.

52 posted on 04/10/2002 1:15:04 PM PDT by Alexandre
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To: biblewonk
If man wuz meant to fly, God woulduv given him wings!
53 posted on 04/10/2002 1:24:42 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
You can quote me when I say, we will never travel through time, we will never travel to the stars and cold fusion will never work.
54 posted on 04/10/2002 1:26:42 PM PDT by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk
You can quote me when I say, we will never travel through time

I second that quote.

55 posted on 04/10/2002 1:33:42 PM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse
:-D
56 posted on 04/10/2002 1:35:37 PM PDT by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk, wirestripper
to #49, 50

Oh, my friends! You are both wrong. Wirestripper is too optimistc about non-existing things (cold fusion and anti-matter powerplants), while Biblewonk's denial mixes together time travel, interplantary travel, life in the universe and even evolution. Let's stay with reality.

Saudi oil is the topic. I think even new drilling at Alaska and/or extensive talks with Russia will force Arabs to change their position and attitude. And if first tankers with Russian and/or Alaskan oil start arriving, Arabs will beg USA to buy some of theirs.

57 posted on 04/10/2002 1:35:46 PM PDT by Alexandre
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To: Alexandre
Saudi oil is the topic. I think even new drilling at Alaska and/or extensive talks with Russia will force Arabs to change their position and attitude. And if first tankers with Russian and/or Alaskan oil start arriving, Arabs will beg USA to buy some of theirs.

The possibilities are ALMOST endless. But some things are not possible like um.... time travel and peace in the middle east. There are a lot of variables in play which might make this a really interesting summer for gas prices. I've heard a lot of freepers and non-freepers and down right liberals say that they would rather pay more for gas then buy it from countries that hate us. We could cut our consumption so fast in this country it would fill all oil producers foreign and domestic with dread. All we need is the right red white and blue motivation.

58 posted on 04/10/2002 1:39:51 PM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
We Can't Get Along Without Saudi Oil

Leftists are really totally unaware of American psychology, aren't they? Tell an American what they CANNOT do, and you get a motivated person who will do ANYTHING to prove you wrong. I hope this article gets MUCH coverage, so that we can react as we always do, just for spite... and it would be really great if President Bush were spear-heading the initiative.

Bye-bye, House of (murderous, lying, slavery-supporting, terrorist scum) Saud.

59 posted on 04/10/2002 1:44:37 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: jdege
We could, of course, "un-nationalize" the oil facilities, and give them back to their rightful owners (Exxon et al.).

Hear, hear! It's time we took back the property of American corporations, stolen by terrorists and used as an economic weapon against us (and finances military weapons, as well).

60 posted on 04/10/2002 1:47:32 PM PDT by Teacher317
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