Still a Clinton hater. And loving it.

Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 4/11/02 | Michael M. Bates

[jetson]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/652650/posts If this atricle is true CLINTON AND RENO SHOULD BE HANGING FROM THE YARD ARMS!!!!

[chicago charlie]

probably the most solid under Ronald Reagan was Wedtech. there were a lot of convictions of members of the administration on that one. the most sordid, as was proved on Sept.11 was Iran/Contra- we caught a pretty good case of blowback on that one. we may have heard about felonies under Klintoon, but the fact remains that in the United States, without proof, crimes don't exist. And I wouldn't have itany other way. would you?

[CatoRenasci]

What you don't seem to understand is that the judgement of history, even of contemporaries, is not based on the same standard as the criminal law: just because (perhaps out of fear after the trashing of Judge Starr and many witnesses, and the death of others; or perhaps out of corruption or whatever -- and after the Senate's refusal to take serious charges against Clinton seriously) a decision is made not to prosecute, does not mean that Clinton is not guilty as Hell and, just because the criminal hasn't been jugged doesn't mean he's an upstanding citizen entitled to any respect or consideration from honest citizens.

Slick Willy has, uniquely among American presidents, earned the opprobrium with which he is regarded by honest men and women. He should be shunned and ignored, his rantings should go unreported and he should be consigned to the ash heap of history in the same way Tricky Dick was for so many years. The difference is that Nixon had real accomplishments that permit a balanced assessment of a complex, haunted character. Clinton was one dimensional, an Elmer Gantry in politics, a latter day Bryan without principle, a Huey Long without a white suit, a Savanorola without piety, an evil man without precedent in American history, a sure sign that the Mandate of Heaven is insecure.

[rw4site]

Re: "there is no guilt. that's the rule of law. "

Only in the eyes of the law. I say they are guilty. The clintons cannot be innocent until they stand trial. They are only presumed innocent until then. ....and if after a trial, there is nothing in law (yet) to prevent anyone from claiming their guilt. Example, O.J. is Guilty! maybe not in law, but in public opinion..

[CatoRenasci]

It is simply not true that the crimes don't exist. What is true is that we will not hold an accused criminally liable and jug the bastard unless the proof which can be brought forward and introduced into evidence is sufficient.

The standard for civil liability, as OJ Simpson has discovered, is must lower, a preponderance of the evidence.

The most galling thing about Slick and his minions is that they openly and overtly lied, destroyed evidence and intimidated witnesses with threats of, and actual, governmental assault such as IRS audits. AND THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT!

Don't try to even suggest that the Clintons are not criminals -- they are just extraordinarily successful criminals. That does not earn them any more respect. They are scum.

[mombonn]

then Ray should be brought up on obstruction of justice charges.

Agreed, but I hold out no hope of that happening.

[RooRoobird14]

Most people I know who hate the Clintons did NOT start out hating them. Many of them even voted for him in 1992 (I confess, I did......I was young and foolish in those days.....LOL).

The visceral loathing of the Face Biting Rapist is something HE EARNED over time as he systematically slimed the White House with sordid personal scandals, habitual lying, total disregard for the rule of law,and unprecedented acts of corruption.

[Lee'sGhost]

LOL!!! One with a sense of humor, I hope. After all, I was only half serious. And I'll bet you tell lawyer jokes all the time . . . Most of those I have worked with certainly do.

[MamaLucci]

BOTOH I hate Hillary even more if that is possible

Me too!
Here's something odd....last night around 10:00 central time, FoxNews had a report scrolling
on the bottom of the screen (during The O'Reilly Factor rerun) about an "investigation of a tax exempt
abortion rights group, for illegal campaign donations to Hillary Clinton's senate campaign".
I woke up this a.m. expecting the story to be all over the media, and I can't find it ANYWHERE...
not even on the FoxNews website. Did anyone else see this?

[CatoRenasci]

'course I do. It's like [Censored for political correctness] telling [Censored for political correctness] jokes. I like your screen name: are you any relation to Bobby Lee? I spent several years in Lexington where he's buried and could never pass Memorial Chapel without thinking of his greatness.

[chicago charlie]

that may be...But it doesn't change the fact that Ronald Reagan's administration was proven to be much more corrupt than Slick's, from the perspective of the American system of laws and justice. I know that it's not be easy to live with, but it is the way it is,based onthe laws of our country.

[chicago charlie]

and i prefer to live in a country where a court of Law carries more weight than the court of public opinion. But then again, I'm just a conservative.

[Ditter]

EXcellent! Do you suppose this guy is a freeper?

[Ditter]

I see now that you are a freeper, another bump for a great article.

[oyez]

The only people worse than Clintons are the 20% who still think them to be gods. That number, becoming wiser is declining. Before too long only the Clintons will think themselves to be gods.

[CatoRenasci]

You're no conservative, Chuck. Your a shill for Clinton. And, it is certainly not true that the Reagan administration was more corrupt. Just false. You are not worth talking to.

[Ditter]

Most people, my self included, have never been to Disney World/Land. I was refering to the WD movies that are so full of c*** that they are brown tinged. That is where people like sungirl here are first introduced to the skewed view of the animal world that they have (as children). Then later PETA & Greenpeace take over when they are adults. They actually think hunters hate animls. Unbelieveable!

[Ditter]

Sorry, I don't know how I happened to post this here, I meant for it to be somplace else.

[dbehsman]

I'm category (vi)- an American who understands the rule of law in my country. Investigation, innuendo, and indictment(or impeachment) do not guilt make. Proof and conviction do. That's the Law. and it goes both ways- if we want that rule extended to our side, we have to extend it to theirs.

Sorry Charlie,

I understand where your going with this, but by this line of reasoning, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. were innocent because they were not tried in a court of law.