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What Hollings' Bill Would Do (My Headline: What You MUST Know About The Hollings Bill)
Wired News ^ | March 22, 2002 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 04/08/2002 4:57:12 PM PDT by Houmatt

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:09:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- If Hollywood and the music industry get their way, new software and hardware will sport embedded copy protection technology.

A bill introduced by Senate Commerce Chairman Fritz Hollings would prohibit the sale or distribution of nearly any technology -- unless it features copy-protection standards to be set by the federal government.


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I know this article has already been posted (last month), but I feel it necessary to repost it because I need to point out some things about this bill and what it means if it is passed and signed into law.

Do you remember the DIVX controversy of a few years back? That was DVD technology with a catch: A limited amount of playtime, the inability to play films on any player but one. Yours.

Now, imagine some of that on technology on a current DVD you just bought. You thought region coding was bad, now, nobody can borrow a DVD you legally purchased because they will be unable to play on their DVD player.

And how about a used DVD? Suppose a video retail chain such as Hollywood or Blockbuster wished to resell a DVD they own. Guess what? Chances are, once you get it home, you will NOT be able to play it.

Why? Because, with this bill, movie studios will be able to place coding that can render a DVD useless. And the best part about it, is this coding can be used at THEIR discretion.

And, if you desire to see a DVD recorder in much the same way as the VCR followed the video cassette player, forget it. Despite the famed Betamax decision that allows people to record films/TV shows/etc off the air for their own, personal use, this bill, if passed, will circumvent it and make the possibility of a DVD recorder in this country an impossibility.

We, the consumers, should have the right to use digital technology as we see fit, not by what is permissible by Congress, and certainly not by the short-sighted clowns that run Hollywood. This should not even get to the floor for a debate, let alone be voted on. Contact your Senators NOW!!!!

1 posted on 04/08/2002 4:57:13 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt

"I say I say, dere's too much freedom goin' on out dere."

2 posted on 04/08/2002 5:06:56 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Houmatt
Senator Disney is at it again. If this were to become law, the consumer electronics industry would collapse. MP3 players...GONE! VCR's...GONE! Tape decks....GONE! I have all of those items. When they wear out or get old, I'll probably buy new ones. However, if this becomes law, I won't be buying any others. Who would shell out $2000 for a new Dell laptop if it was crippled by Senator Disney's law?
3 posted on 04/08/2002 5:08:48 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
If this becomes law I will knowingly violate it just to spite the federal gov't. I have a collection of nearly 4 dozen DVDs. If this plan is implemented I'l be more than happy to rip the VOB file, winRAR it, and send it out to anyone who wants it.

Let them arrest me.

Sorry Jim.

4 posted on 04/08/2002 5:20:15 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: AAABEST
What wrong with South Carolina ?.....Stop sending the OLD Farts to the US senate.....................it's a shame ,,,,,some people never know how to GO HOME and fish !
5 posted on 04/08/2002 6:09:03 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: Bogey78O
It sounds like between what you what you can do with the software and what I can do with the hardware, we could set up quite a little black market enterprise....and there's thousands of us out there! The one's that don't do it for profit will do it just for spite! Too bad the DIVX scam didn't take off. Blanking an eprom in those DVD/DIVX players wouldn't have been too hard.
6 posted on 04/08/2002 6:26:41 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
Yeah it's not too difficult. ANyone can rip a DVD. Encoding it and sending it out is the hard part. I made back ups of some of my DVDs on CD using a backup utility. I however don't wish to make illegal copies. If this law is passed you can expect me to use my bandwidth nefariously.
7 posted on 04/08/2002 6:32:03 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Houmatt
Foghorn Leghorn Hollings must be stopped. Check out www.digitalconsumer.org for ways to get involved. Email or write your senator. This bill would make felons out of tens of millions of Americans who by CD's and legally transfer tracks to MP3 players.
8 posted on 04/08/2002 7:15:40 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: Astronaut
Amen to that. Please, go to http://www.digitalconsumer.org . They have a link that allows you to fax a letter to your Senator to voice your disapproval of this bill. I have already done it. Won't you do the same??
9 posted on 04/08/2002 8:23:26 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
"We, the consumers, should have the right to use digital technology as we see fit, not by what is permissible by Congress,"

I am afraid not.

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8:

"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:"

10 posted on 04/08/2002 9:46:35 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: KQQL
What's wrong with South Carolina? The last time we elected a new senator it was Ernest Hollings, we are naturally too scared to try it again. Who knows what could happen next time.
11 posted on 04/09/2002 5:46:38 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: tahiti
should have

literacy... :)

12 posted on 04/09/2002 6:15:50 AM PDT by lepton
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To: tahiti
I think it is time you retook that course in reading comprehension, pal.

For one thing, I said we should be able to use technology as we see fit.

Also, if inventors are supposed to have exclusive right (for a limited time, by the way) to their "discoveries" (or creations, if you will), that would make Hollings' bill unconstitutional, as the bill will definitely prohibit the sale and distribution of DVD recorders.

Just as it is illegal to sell or even have region free DVD players, courtesy of the DMCA, which exists due to Hollywood lobbying.

13 posted on 04/09/2002 7:42:08 AM PDT by Houmatt
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Houmatt, you state:

"...as the bill will definitely prohibit the sale and distribution of DVD recorders."

The article states:

"A bill introduced by Senate Commerce Chairman Fritz Hollings would prohibit the sale or distribution of nearly any technology -- unless it features copy-protection standards to be set by the federal government."

You also stated to me:

"I think it is time you retook that course in reading comprehension, pal."

From the evidence stated above, I believe it is you who has the comprehension problem due to the fact that you referenced only half of what the Holling's bill is attempting to do. (refer to the bold letters. "copy-protection," then again refer to Art I, Sec 8, Cl 8)

14 posted on 04/09/2002 10:35:05 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
Look, Brain Dead, it is not just that article I am referring to. There have been various news outlets I have been getting information about this bill from (primarily Video Store Magazine).

Under this bill, DVD recorders will not exist in the United States. Period.

If you are basing your entire argument over focusing on what you believe to be only one part of the bill, the only conclusion I can derive is you favor this bill. You probably don't care because you do not even own a DVD player.

News Flash, pal: By 2006, the VHS format, as we know it, will be extinct. As in DEAD. As in joined the choir invisible. As in don't expect to get your copy of Star Wars: Episode III on videocassette.

Unless you intend to spend the rest of your days watching older films on VHS until your VCR goes toes up, you are gonna have to get with the program.

15 posted on 04/10/2002 5:14:44 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
"Look, Brain Dead, it is not just that article I am referring to. There have been various news outlets I have been getting information about this bill from (primarily Video Store Magazine)."

Now, you are trying to introduce evidence into this discussion, to support your position, in which it was never stated in your original post. It is as if you expected me to read your mind. Not very good debating skills.

It is a maxim amoung debaters, as soon as your opponent resorts to name calling ("Look, Brain dead...") it is time to just smile politely and declare victory in the debate.

16 posted on 04/10/2002 5:33:45 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
"Now, you are trying to introduce evidence into this discussion, to support your position, in which it was never stated in your original post. It is as if you expected me to read your mind. Not very good debating skills."

Well, golly gee, Fonz, I was not asking you to read my mind, only that you actually take the time to read and comprehend what has been written before and I what I added to it.

And speaking of adding things, you have not even disputed a single thing I have brought up here, save your assertion there is nothing wrong with what Hollings' bill proposes from a Constitutional standpoint. I, of course, showed how bogus that was, and you did not dispute that either.

And on top of all this, you have the cojones to declare yourself the "winner of the debate" just because I addressed you as "Brain Dead". Nope. You are the loser. You have been unable to disprove ANYTHING I have said. In fact, the only thing you have provided is a strawman.

Bottom Line: If Hollings' bill passes and becomes law, we all lose.

18 posted on 04/11/2002 3:51:28 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
CBDTPA = Crooks Buy Democrat To Push Agenda
19 posted on 04/11/2002 8:07:43 PM PDT by steve-b
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