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And here's the Op-ed from 4/6/02 edition

The myth of priestly celibacy

Reading Katherine Kersten's April 3 Commentary article regarding her expectation of priests, I find myself drowning in the hypocrisy of the myth of priestly celibacy. Celibacy exists in the sense of bachelorhood, of course, in the church. But celibacy as chastity . . . as being saints like Francis and angels like Mother Teresa? I don't think so!

Kersten states that "the church has viewed celibacy as important to priesthood for at least 1,000 years." Sure, and lying about it has been around all that time too. Have you ever read Chaucer? Do you know about Martin Luther?

Kersten, dear readers, priests: Consider how you'd feel if you were a parent, who, being saturated with images and stories about the pervasive problem of priestly sexual abuse of children, would have to send a 7-year-old to talk alone to a priest, knowing that he or she will be expected to talk about any (natural) erotic feelings or behaviors, and have to say they're sorry when they're not, and have to promise to try and never do it again (which they don't mean).

And maybe these parents know, but are not acknowledging, that the child has seen these sickening and frightening television stories, or heard them from other kids. And maybe the kid is terrified, or grossed out, and the parents feel sick inside when they "make" the kid go do this.

Or consider the teenage boy who has read the papers, seen on TV the stories of "nice guy priests" who rape boys, and heard about parents who won't believe the victims.
Then, too, imagine how his mom and dad might feel about his discussing masturbation or other sexual matters while alone in the confessional with this man. Also, don't forget that girls are victims of priests too.

Maybe Kersten and I are children of the '60s, and believe that the appearance of love solves everything. Her commentary strikes me as being a lot like the summer of love, when we wore flowers and tossed balloons and dope was destroying minds all around us, but we chanted and danced and pretended that everything was groovy . . . . One can hope that more responsible people will work to make our society and the church be a sanctuary for children -- and, oh yes, women and homosexuals too.

Perhaps there will eventually be a rite of confession for people who will not address evil when it's in front of their faces.

-- Nancy Coleman, St. Louis Park. Retired therapist.

© Copyright 2002 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.

1 posted on 04/06/2002 6:37:37 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Kersten states that "the church has viewed celibacy as important to priesthood for at least 1,000 years." Sure, and lying about it has been around all that time too. Have you ever read Chaucer? Do you know about Martin Luther?

As a matter of fact we do know about Luther. We also know about Melchisedech. Elias, John the Baptist, Paul, Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary and many others.

Her commentary strikes me as being a lot like the summer of love, when we wore flowers and tossed balloons and dope was destroying minds all around us, but we chanted and danced and pretended that everything was groovy . . . .

Sounds like Nancy did more than dope.

2 posted on 04/06/2002 6:59:11 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Valin
It has taken the Church a 1000 years to think up all that bunk Kirsten has just blessed us with but the truth is far more simple. The priesthood was pasted from father to son for centuries and they built up large holdings. The more successful families collected tithes and offerings from large areas and became enormously wealthy. They had so much money and power that they could tell the Pope where to go and make it stick. To get all the money and regain central power, families were outlawed and the Church appointed priests to the various posts rather than have family holdings.

It was just a greedy power grab.

4 posted on 04/06/2002 7:06:43 PM PST by IncredibleHulk
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To: Valin
Things I think about if a Priest is allowed to marry:

a). What if he has marital problems that lead to divorce?

Will the Church be asked to pay alimony and child support?

b). What if their children get into all sorts of trouble with the law?

Will the Church be asked to pay for defense costs?

c). Tuition, medical, dental, housing, clothing, cars, insurance, will the Church be asked to fund?

6 posted on 04/06/2002 7:11:54 PM PST by harpo11
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To: Valin
I'm glad to see that Nancy is a RETIRED therapist. I hope she uses her retirement to further her own spiritual and intellectual growth.
10 posted on 04/06/2002 7:22:53 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Valin; Orual; Romulus
IMHO, Katherine Kersten makes a fine, clear case for priestly celibacy.
12 posted on 04/06/2002 7:24:40 PM PST by dighton
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To: Valin
I feel sorry for the Church. They're right in the crosshairs of the Left Wing.

Homo priests bad, homo boy scout leaders good

The dexterity needed by the Left Wing for this hit is astonishing. Brain surgeons should take notes.

13 posted on 04/06/2002 7:36:47 PM PST by kiryandil
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14 posted on 04/06/2002 7:42:49 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
I like the LDS church approach to the priesthood. They call a Bishop to serve for 5 years. The man selected is always married, usually has children and has a full time job to support his family. His responsibilities are similar to what is expected of a typical priest in a Roman Catholic parish. It typically adds another 30 to 40 hours a week of meetings to carry out the responsibility. That's on top of his full time employment. An LDS Bishop understands the realities of running a household, caring for wife and children and dealing with a real world job. It makes for a uniquely knowledgeable religious counselor. The typical 5 year service also helps in the knowledge that the burden won't be a perpetual one. One of my bishops was also employed by my company, so I ran into him on a regular basis in the cafeteria.

While the LDS approach produces some very fine bishops, there are still a few cases every year of the same types of problems currently faced by the Roman Catholic church. Allowing priests to marry and have families wouldn't be a detriment in my view. It might actually attract more men into the priesthood.

15 posted on 04/06/2002 7:49:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Valin
WHERE THE BLOODY HELL IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT ANYONE, A CLERIC, PRIEST OR THE APOSTLES SHALL BE CELIBANT? THAT IS SOME IDIOTIC DICTUM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. ALTHOUGH THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO STOP SOME POPES, LIKE ALEXANDER BORGIA, FROM PROCREATION. THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO DO WOULD BE TO MAKE CELIBANCY AN OPTION, THAT WAY A CHOICE COULD BE MADE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ON HOW TO BEST SERVE GOD. BUT THEN THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE!!!!!!
16 posted on 04/06/2002 7:51:55 PM PST by jjhunsecker
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To: Valin
When Jesus walked on the earth, HE sent out the disciples two by two. Why? Because there is power in agreement.

Since God said, "it is not good for man to be alone".

I think God knows best. Priests should be allowed to marry.

17 posted on 04/06/2002 7:54:20 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Valin
I grew up as a Catholic. My family is still Catholic. However, they need to let married men be priests, and for priests to get married. I had a friend who was at one of the top seminaries in Italy. Homosexuality was rampant.

I'd rather deal with a priest who has marital problems than one who is a sick hypocritical queer or child molester.

I'm really sorry if I've offended, but this topic sets me off.

20 posted on 04/06/2002 8:10:41 PM PST by ipatent
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To: Valin
The New Testament says this:

1 Tim 4:1-3--

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (NKJ)"

So to teach abstention from marriage is a doctrine of demons. There are other places in the New Testament that discuss remaining single, but it is voluntary, not mandatory. And it should be this way with the Catholic Church, also.
26 posted on 04/06/2002 9:00:19 PM PST by DennisR
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To: Valin
Nancy is one sick puppy! She may have been a flower child --- her bitterness sounds like something that has germinated in the disappointment which follows shallow ideals. Given the rigor of her thinking, I doubt that Kerstein was anybody's "flower child"...
32 posted on 04/07/2002 12:38:40 AM PST by sailor4321
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To: Valin; dighton
The priest is to follow Christ's example in every aspect of his life, making a total gift of his life and love to all around him.

What those who advocate that priests should marry always forget is that a priest is different from the rest of us and is held to a much higher standard. The priest is married to the Church - one priest once described his Breviary as his wife. I cannot believe that the priests who make the headlines read their Breviaries every day as they are required to - those beautiful daily prayers would have strengthened them and kept their minds on their vows and Holy Orders.

Putting aside the fact that a priest has not the time nor the finances to support a wife and children and that such a relationship would be doomed from the start, a priest is bound by Canon Law to be a member of a Community of priests, whether it is as a Franciscan or a Dominican or any number of other Priestly Societies. He must live and pray with them, again gaining strength and support from his brother priests.

Celibacy is a God-given grace and cannot be measured within the self-gratification norms of our "present sex-drenched culture", as Kersten describes it so perfectly. Those who argue for marriage for priests simply do not understand the sanctity and holiness of the vocation, and the duties that attend to it.

37 posted on 04/07/2002 7:04:23 AM PDT by Orual
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