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[Los Angeles Cardinal] Mahony E-Mail Talks of 'Our Big Mistake'
Los Angeles Times ^ | 04/05/2002 | JESSICA GARRISON, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 04/05/2002 6:59:52 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Cardinal Roger M. Mahony of the Los Angeles Archdiocese told one of his lawyers in a recent e-mail that the diocese made 'our big mistake' by not turning over three cases involving priests accused of wrongdoing to the LAPD, according to e-mails obtained Thursday by the Los Angeles Times.


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There's an afternoon 'shock-jock'-type radio program on afternoons on KFI.

Someone leaked emails between his Eminence and his Eminence's lawyer to these radio guys.

The archdiocese contacted the guys and did a 'cease-and-desist' on them, and later went to court to get a PRIOR RESTRAINT on disseminating the emails. They sought to enjoin the LA Slimes.

The judge hearing the case refused to issue the prior restraint.
1 posted on 04/05/2002 6:59:52 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
I was listening to the show. I thought they made some good points but the interviewing of previous victims of abuse went over the top.
2 posted on 04/05/2002 7:02:17 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge
One of the emails is here.
3 posted on 04/05/2002 7:06:28 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Diago; patent; Askel5; Dr. Brian Kopp; ArrogantBustard
A pro-Mother Angelica (and an anti-Mahony) BUMP
4 posted on 04/05/2002 7:11:57 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: Mike Fieschko
I hope the Cardinal knows that he is possibly getting into RICO territory when he uses email to coverup, or do anything that can be construed to be an organization at high levels planning corrupt activities etc.
5 posted on 04/05/2002 7:12:12 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Domestic Church; Kevin Curry; Aquinasfan; ELS; tiki; redhead; history_matters; sockmonkey...
Another "Remember what he tried to do to Mother Angelica!!!!" bump
6 posted on 04/05/2002 7:15:01 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: Mike Fieschko
*sigh* I wish he had worried about the gravity of the situation when innocent people were being hurt. I wish he was worried about righting wrongs instead of CYA, media spin and legal maneuvering.

With all due respect your Eminence, releasing the names isn't going to make this go away.

7 posted on 04/05/2002 7:21:05 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Mike Fieschko
I don't know about you, but that looks a little too well-written to be a regular e-mail message. It's almost as if it were intended to be made public.
8 posted on 04/05/2002 7:22:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: father_elijah
I never heard about this. What did he try to do to Mother Angelica?
9 posted on 04/05/2002 7:23:09 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl; father_elijah

You and I Are Not the Eucharist,
You and I Are Poor Sinners

MOTHER ANGELICA ON MAHONY

"I gave my opinion, and it was rather strong. So this week, I received [a letter] from His Eminence Cardinal Mahony, and... he said, 'I must insist that you issue a formal public retraction of your statement, and that you assure your viewers that the Cardinal Archbishop of Los Angeles does indeed fully believe in the Real Presence, and fosters devotion to this great mystery of our faith.'

Cardinal Mahony said "For you to state publicly on television that I do not believe in the Real Presence is astounding and reprehensible and calls for an immediate public clarification and apology from you.... I have just published a comprehensive pastoral letter on the celebration of Sunday Eucharist, and reprint at the very outset of the letter the formal statement of the Council of Trent on the full and authentic meaning of the Real Presence, a mystery of our Faith which I believe totally and without compromise....

"I do want to apologize to the Cardinal for my remark, which I'm sure seemed excessive... When I spoke those words last week I was expressing my heartfelt concern over the contents of this pastoral... I could hardly believe that I could make such a mistake if such a clear statement were right at the outset... I am confused at what the letter says....

"What came through to me was the principal focus in this letter on assembly, the concentration on assembly by the people in the Church rather than the Eucharist. So, I felt the letter was unclear to what the Church teaches about the Real Presence, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus..."

Mother Angelica noted that the only time she found the term "transubstantiation" was "in a very small footnote." She commented, "I don't know about you, but I don't read footnotes, unfortunately. I read the big print. So, I missed the footnote. Well, I kind of wish that footnote in the body of the letter was clear, and if I overlooked it in the whole letter, I imagine a lot of other people overlooked it.

"The pastoral letter has a whole different language... The word 'presence' is used in the text of the letter but it never says 'Real Presence'... it's a presence of the community, the assembly, the general presence of God in the liturgy, and the presence of the bishop. It doesn't talk about the presence of Jesus, Body, Blood, Soul, or the transubstantiation."

Mother Angelica said she found the pastoral letter's reference to Christ as "present in the simple gifts of bread and wine, and in the mystery that is His Church," particularly confusing:

"That the presence of Jesus is in the bread and wine, says to me, it's still bread and wine. It has to be changed into the Body and Blood of Christ. It can't be 'in'--that means it's still bread and wine, but He's inside. But He's inside of me... God is inside of everything... I'm a member of the masses; I'm a simple woman, and I don't understand this. Does that mean Christ is present before the Consecration in the bread and wine..? Or does it mean that He is present after the Consecration? Well, if He is present after the Consecration, in what way? Does He just kind of hop into the bread and wine, but it's still bread and wine? Or does it become His Body and Blood? The use of 'in the bread and wine' strongly suggested to me that the Body of Christ exists together with the bread and wine... Here's the bread and wine and here's Jesus... the Church rejects that misunderstanding... If there's still bread and wine, why would I adore Him? Why would I kneel and prostrate myself to bread and wine?

"Such an important letter opened a beautiful chance to explain to the people the Real Presence. The letter says 'What does it mean when the body of Christ comes forward to receive the Body of Christ?' Well, I don't know! And it was never answered in the letter... Am I the Body of Christ? No. And it looks like 'the body of Christ receives the Body of Christ.' [sigh] You know, I got a doctorate in theology, it' one of these they give you, I didn't earn it, but I still didn't know what it meant.

"Last week, I said if somebody taught me that, I would not obey. Well, the canons tell me I can't say that, that's a no-no, to tell anybody they should not obey their bishop or cardinal. For that, I apologize... It is very confusing to people when leaders seem to ignore the real problems in the Church that need to be addressed, seem to tolerate and encourage liturgical fuzziness and practices that don't, to me, show or manifest the holiness of the Sacrifice of the Mass.

"For example, the letter encourages parishioners to gather together around the altar, because 'what occurs there involves not only the bread and wine, but those standing round. Because we too, are consecrated, changed and shared.' I don't know what that means... So what does it really mean? There's no explanation... where can this innovation be found in the Church's teachings?..

"[U]nder the subtitle of 'Ministries' in this pastoral letter, it says, 'In our Catholic tradition the one who is called by the Church to the order of priest is to be in the local parish community as the presence of the Bishop'... 'The Bishop remains always for us in direct relationship to every parish in the diocese.' Very true. And sometimes we forget that. We shouldn't. 'He is also our bond with the Catholic Church through the world.' And that's true. 'But the bishop,' he says, 'since the early centuries of the Church, has laid hands on other worthy members' (I wasn't too sure who the other worthy members are--could they be women?) 'and sent them to be his presence in the community.' Do we say that our brothers have been ordained to be the presence of the bishop in this community? Maybe I've lived too long. I was taught as a kid that the Alter Christus was another Christ--otherwise, how could he forgive sins, or how could he say over this bread and wine, 'This is [my body]. He doesn't say 'his' body, he doesn't say 'the body, he says 'my body.'

"[Mahony] says, 'On Sunday the one who presides, the ordained priest, comes not only as other ministers do, from the assembly, and comes as one who orders this assembly, who relates this assembly to the bishop and the larger Church.' What does it mean? 'True to our Catholic soul, we understand our Church bonds to be more flesh and blood than theory and theology. Here in this human being is our bond with the bishop and with other communities throughout the world.' That one really confused me. I love our bishop here [in Birmingham, Alabama]. He's a wonderful bishop. He's been understanding, and you've got to be holy to be understanding of me. And I think he suffers much because of me. To him I apologize also. The Mass is the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus, and that sacrifice, the Father gives me and you the opportunity to be there. I love my bishop [but] I don't think I go to Mass every week to be bonded with my bishop.

"These are very difficult and confusing times, and personally I ask our Church leaders to give everybody that pastoral care, because I really cannot live my life as a Catholic if I don't know the truth. You and I must know the truth.

"[I]n this pastoral... the emphasis is definitely on the people. We are a people, you have a Church that has within it the presence of Jesus... We received at Baptism the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We didn't join a club, we didn't join a lounge. We became sons and daughters of the most high God.

"[The pastoral] says 'During the Eucharistic Prayer, the people see the way the Holy Spirit is invoked to transform these gifts and themselves'... are we saying that the people are the Eucharist, or the assembly is the Eucharist?

"His Eminence asked for a public clarification, and I wanted to say to him, I don't mean to cause you any problem. I don't mean to divide the Church and to cause anything. I'm just confused, because I don't understand.

"I have to send a copy of this to the nuncio because the cardinal sent him a copy, along with Archbishop Pilla, along with my own Bishop [Foley], God bless him. I hope he doesn't have a heart attack when he reads it. But I think he understands me. I'm not here to correct anybody... I'm not here to teach in the place of anybody, either. I know my place, and I try to keep it. But it is my duty, because the Lord has asked me, to enlighten the people.... just to say 'here, this is what the Church teaches...'

"I think all of us need to pray that we're not confused, that we know for sure what Jesus taught us, and that we're able through His grace to follow all of it. That we don't pick and choose, just take the whole thing... I think you and I need to pray for the Church all over the world, and that we all know our place. We're the people of God. We're the Church. But you and I are not Eucharist, you and I are poor sinners.

"And so I hope I satisfied the cardinal's request. I wish him well. I will pray for him, and I hope he will pray for me...

"We cannot afford not to know the truth about everything. So, Your Eminence, if I have mistaken your letter, I'm very sorry, but I still find it confusing... Let us pray for each other, and give the Lord the glory by all believing what the Church teaches..."

10 posted on 04/05/2002 7:26:55 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't know about you, but that looks a little too well-written to be a regular e-mail message. It's almost as if it were intended to be made public.

You might think so, but the LA Slimes article has this: [begin quoting]

"Before the hearing began, Los Angeles Times counsel Karlene Goller asked Steier, the lawyer for the archdiocese, if the e-mails were authentic.

"'Yeah, they are,' Steier answered. 'We wouldn't be here if they weren't.'" [endquote]
11 posted on 04/05/2002 7:28:50 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: goldenstategirl; father_elijah
St. Catherine Review: Mother Angelica--Healed & Reviled

Mother Angelica: Healed & Reviled
from the March-April 1998 issue

For more than forty years Mother Mary Angelica, foundress and leader of the Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN) was in constant physical pain because of a chronic spinal condition. Although many of her viewers never realized the extent of her suffering because of the humor and joy she exudes on her weekly television programs, she was encumbered by a back brace, leg braces and chronic asthma.

While praying the Holy Rosary in her office with a recent visitor, she experienced an unusual healing. The visitor asked her to remove the braces from her legs and to try to walk without her crutches. Mother later explained that a heat came over her ankles. "Every time I walked back and forth," she said, "my legs started coming in straight." She was able to walk without her crutches for the first time in over forty years. So too her spinal injury seems to have been fully healed; she no longer needs her back brace. And her asthma? That seems to be gone too, she remarked.

As a young novice, Sr. Angelica was injured in an accident that left her partially paralyzed for a short time and unable to walk without crutches until this year. "I have never asked to be healed. To me it was part of my mission," Mother Angelica stated on one of EWTN’s programs the following day.

Coincidence?
The timing of her unusual, perhaps miraculous, healing is worth noting. For the past few months Mother has been bitterly criticized by members of the Catholic press, bishops, and priests for her public criticism of Cardinal Roger Mahony’s pastoral letter on the liturgy, "Gather Faithfully Together: A Guide for Sunday Mass" (September 4, 1997). In that letter the cardinal encourages Los Angeles Catholics to "celebrate the diverse experiences, cultures, and charisms that assemble around the one table" of the Mass. He offers practical liturgical directives that are, at best, contrary to the spirit of the norms of the Church, and according to some, the liturgical innovations he outlines are likely to cause further confusion about the nature of the Mass, especially the fundamental doctrine of the Real Presence.

On her cable television program, "Mother Angelica Live," Mother expressed her opinion that the cardinal’s letter was an example of the increasing secularization of the Church today, that it confused Catholics about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and added, "I’m afraid my obedience in that diocese would be absolutely zero. And I hope everybody else’s in that diocese is zero." Cardinal Mahony responded immediately to her remarks. He demanded a public apology, which Mother delivered the next week. However, the evening that she offered the apology she continued with her critique, calling the letter "confusing." In the text of the pastoral letter "the word ‘presence’ is used," said Mother, "but it never says ‘Real Presence’… it’s a presence of the community, the assembly, the general presence of God in the liturgy, and the presence of the bishop. It doesn’t talk about the presence of Jesus, Body, Blood, Soul, or the transubstantiation."

Cardinal Mahony was not satisfied with her apology; in fact, he was further incensed. This time he not only demanded a retraction from her—he specified the retraction was to be written by her bishop, David Foley of Birmingham, and read on four different occasions—he threatened Mother with legal action by taking counsel with canon and civil lawyers. The cardinal is claiming that no one has the right to criticize his pastoral letter. In his letter to Mother, he referred to Canon 753, which obliges Catholics to respect the teaching office of the diocesan bishop. It also specifies that only the pope may correct a bishop’s teaching. He did not, however, acknowledge Canon 212 which addresses the "right, indeed at times the duty" of the faithful to manifest to the sacred pastors their views on matters which concern the good of the Church, and to "make these views known to all of Christ’s faithful."

A need for clarity
Writing in the Diocese of Youngstown’s newspaper, the Catholic Exponent, Bishop Thomas Tobin stated: "The misunderstanding of Cardinal Mahony’s letter by some reminds us also of the need to be very clear in teaching the Catholic Faith. [The Cardinal] points out that the traditional Catholic doctrine about the Eucharist is contained in the very first footnote of the letter." But Tobin emphasized that "the fact that the primary teaching of the Church about the Eucharist has been relegated to a footnote is itself very disturbing to some… The faithful need and deserve a solid and unambiguous doctrinal foundation on which to build their Christian lives."

Bishop Tobin wondered what drives Mother Angelica and others to be so critical of bishops and cardinals of the Church. "Could it be that some members of the Church have become so outspoken, even defiant," he suggested, "because their legitimate complaints about abuses in the Church have not been taken seriously by Church leaders? Their concern about fuzzy teaching or liturgical aberrations have too often been neglected, sometimes even belittled… Church leaders need to address well-founded complaints seriously, or we will continue to see the marginalization of many good people who just care about the spiritual well-being of the Church."

Many U.S. bishops and priests have not only "belittled" Mother Angelica, they have actively sought to have EWTN’s programming yanked from local cable networks. In 1994, Archbishop Rembert Weakland led the Catholic crusade to rid Milwaukee airwaves of Mother Angelica. Likewise Emil Wcela, auxiliary bishop of Rockville Center led a similar campaign on Long Island, New York. (Weakland’s diocesan newspaper even rejected running a photograph of Mother in an EWTN ad because she was clothed in a traditional habit).

And now Cardinal Mahony has taken his complaints to the Vatican. The National Catholic Reporter (NCR) reported that the cardinal intends to demand fundamental changes in both the management style and the on-air tone of the "controversial Catholic media outlet." NCR quoted Mahony’s director of media relations as saying, "the cardinal wants the Holy See to do something about Mother Angelica’s whole attitude that she is not responsible to the National Conference of Catholic Bishops or to any of the individual bishops. It goes beyond her criticism of the cardinal—it’s about how the network operates and to whom it is accountable."

NCR writes that "Mahony now appears to want more than a retraction from the TV nun. According to sources close to Mahony, he believes EWTN should be reoriented so it plays what he feels is a positive role in the church’s evangelization efforts and cooperates with the U.S. bishops in how it goes about that task."

Clearly then, if what NCR has reported is true, Cardinal Mahony would like to co-opt what Mother Angelica has made successful and turn it into an ecclesiastical mouthpiece for the American-Catholic bureaucracy. EWTN’s straight-up orthodoxy, their reverently-celebrated televised Masses, traditional understanding of Catholic doctrine, culture and discipline has most obviously drawn the ire of not a few American bishops. That is an accomplishment in and of itself, considering that dissident Catholic publications, many of which are bitterly critical of the pope and bishops, continue to publish unfettered by the likes of the certain U.S. bishops in question. In short, EWTN has drawn censure and sanction for teaching as "Catholic" what the Church teaches. The network is not the Church, but an instrument of the Church. Even so, many bishops appear unhappy with this particular instrument.

In January, for instance, Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission reported on a letter sent to Mother Angelica from Bishop Robert Lynch of St. Petersburg, Florida. Bishop Lynch, former secretary for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, wrote in his November 19, 1997 letter: "I pray that you will cease these personal and vicious attacks on those whom the Successor of Peter has chosen to lead the Church at this time." The bishop added, "you and your network are not helping me in my office as Shepherd, Pastor and Leader." One might wonder: why the protest from bishops such as Cardinal Mahony, Archbishop Weakland and Bishop Lynch?

Doing the bishops’ job
EWTN is likely the world’s largest religious cable broadcasting network, with more than 1,600 affiliates reaching 54 million homes in 34 different countries. Under Mother Angelica’s leadership, EWTN has accomplished what the bishops of the United States have failed to do—and they have indeed tried and failed: to provide a significant Catholic presence on television. Even so, some bishops are unwilling to admit the accomplishment. Archbishop Daniel Pilarczyk of Cincinnati wrote to one St. Catherine Review reader that EWTN is not "Catholic." Rather, he states, "Mother Angelica appears to be pleased by her independence that allows her to criticize bishops that do not agree with her. Many bishops appear to be equally pleased to be independent of Mother Angelica."

More to the point, however, the bishops and Catholic bureaucrats resent her exposing their modernist methods. Mother has always claimed that it is her mission to bring the true light of the faith to the common man, to the broken-hearted who want to hear the unchanging truth of Jesus Christ instead of being subjected to personal speculation, liturgical abuses, doctrinal deviations, and sex education. As Bishop Tobin of Youngstown wrote, "Church leaders need to address well-founded complaints seriously."

In a 1994 interview with Thomas Droleskey of The Wanderer, Mother Angelica "went to great lengths to explain that she loves and prays for the bishops; what angers her is that some of Christ’s shepherds are not faithful to the Holy Father. They remain in communion with him juridically, while doing everything possible to undermine his teaching authority—permitting dissidents to preach, to teach, to write, and to hold positions whereby they can browbeat the ‘little people’ who simply want to lead holy lives… The very ones who say non servium est [I will not serve] to the Holy Father expect absolute, unyielding obedience to their edicts. ‘That’s the wrong type of obedience,’ Mother Angelica declared. ‘Souls are being snatched by these wolves, preying upon people brought up to obey.’ But one ‘who is not in union with the Magisterium must not be obeyed!’" How many American bishops, one wonders, would approve of St. Catherine of Siena were she to live today as a so-called "TV-nun?"

Well done faithful servant?
There are perhaps many conclusions that can be drawn from Mother Angelica’s unusual healing, especially considering that it occurred after forty years of great suffering, during a time when a prince of the Church is appealing to Rome to have her censured and punished. One possible conclusion is that Christ has rewarded Mother for her commitment to the truth. Might He be saying, "Well done faithful servant"?

But others, those who hold Mother and her network in contempt, will busy themselves trying to explain away the unusual occurrence. Tricia Hempel, editor of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati’s Catholic Telegraph wrote in her Feb 20 issue that her paper will not report on Mother Angelica’s healing until it has been ruled a "miracle" by the proper Vatican congregation. Even the U.S. bishops’ agency, Catholic News Service (CNS), prepared a full page story on the remarkable incident. Although the Catholic Telegraph uses the CNS service, they chose not to publicize the healing. Other diocesan papers, however, did run the story.

This is not surprising. The same editor, Mrs. Hempel, once told this writer that she isn’t going to give Mother Angelica any more publicity than she already gets. "She’s got more money than God!" complained Mrs. Hempel.

The cause of the EWTN success
Mother Angelica does not attribute her network’s great success to her own talents and persistence—although many others would; she gives all the glory to God, the prayers of her community, and perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament at her monastery in Irondale, Alabama. Indeed the two pillars of EWTN’s efforts are profound Eucharistic piety and a great devotion to the Mother of God. Mother’s sisters, brothers and priests are first and foremost contemplatives. Their vocation is to the religious life. Their mission is to bring true Church teaching to the common people through the media.–Michael S. Rose

For an excellent critique of Cardinal Mahony’s pastoral letter on the liturgy, see the ADOREMUS Statement on "Gather Faithfully Together" in the November, 1997 issue of the ADOREMUS Bulletin (www.adoremus.org): P.O. Box 5858, Arlington VA, 22205.

Copies of Cardinal Mahony’s pastoral letter, "Gather Faithfully Together," are available for $5 from Liturgy Training Publications, 1800 N. Hermitage Ave., Chicago IL 60622-1101. It is also available on the World Wide Web: http://www.la-archdiocese.org

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12 posted on 04/05/2002 7:30:02 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: goldenstategirl
*sigh* I wish he had worried about the gravity of the situation when innocent people were being hurt. I wish he was worried about righting wrongs instead of CYA, media spin and legal maneuvering.

Does anyone remember any of the Church's hierarchy using the words 'evil' or 'justice' during this? Apparently, there are certain words which they cannot say.
13 posted on 04/05/2002 7:31:57 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Thanks for the post from St Catherine Review, which IIRC, is Michael Rose's newsletter. He is the author of Goodbye, Good Men about homosexual priests, and The Renovation Manipulation, about how the laity have been duped, ignored or bullied into destruction of church interiors.
14 posted on 04/05/2002 7:35:26 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
I don't think they are fake -- I just wonder if they were intended to be made public at some point. Mahony sounds more forceful and direct in this e-mail than he has at any time in his tarnished career as a bishop.
15 posted on 04/05/2002 7:35:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't think they are fake -- I just wonder if they were intended to be made public at some point. Mahony sounds more forceful and direct in this e-mail than he has at any time in his tarnished career as a bishop.

Well, that's one way of looking at his calling it a 'tactical mistake': that the coverup wasn't motivated by deceit or deception -- that it was an imprudent decision.
16 posted on 04/05/2002 7:37:54 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
Lack of candor, fail to cut your losses, and a failure to simply do the right thing, is always a mistake. If I were religious, I would suspect a lot of the the bishops are slotted to spend a long time in purgatory. They have failed in their mission. They have failed to be moral. They are failures period.
17 posted on 04/05/2002 7:39:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
God Bless and Keep Mother Angelica! She is to this modern age what Teresa of Avila was to her age. She is light and salt to the Church. Mother, I love you, and pray for you daily!
18 posted on 04/05/2002 7:40:32 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"It goes beyond her criticism of the cardinal—it’s about how the network operates and to whom it is accountable."

Interesting point, in light of a conversation I had with a guy from Croatia a few years ago. He said that the Communist governments in eastern Europe were all toppled as a result of the same thing -- the spread of technology like the Internet and satellite television into these countries made it impossible for the Communist leadership in these nations to convince people that Communism was nothing but a hoax. In this statement, Mahony sounds like a beleaguered, irrelevant, pasty-faced dictator from Poland or Czechoslovakia complaining about subversive news reports that are being beamed into his country from western Europe.

19 posted on 04/05/2002 7:41:59 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Thanks for the articles. Mother Angelica's great!

I am so tired of Churches being stripped bare, a Mass that is becoming more and more 'other centered' rather than Christ centered, and the secularization/Protestantization of Catholics. These are several reasons why I prefer the Latin Mass. I deal with people all week. When I go to Church I go there to commune with Christ, not the people in the pew with me. Why do these priests and bishops have a problem with that?

20 posted on 04/05/2002 8:13:40 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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