Bob Barr(R)Anti-Patriot Act:...Panel faults restrictions imposed since Sept. 11

aJC.com ^ | 4/4/02 | Joe Geshwiler - Staff

[DoughtyOne]

I can't believe the ACLU is actually siding with Conservatives on this one. I am glad to see people like William Webster and Barr take interest in this. It has been my opinion that the Patriot Act is anything but.

[weikel]

Did they do anything in the Patriot Act they can't already do in the name of "RICO" or the "WOD". If Big Brother wants to bust you on trumped up charges it will be for Drugs or "RICO".

[zog]

--the evidence is overwhelming now. Look at all the evidence-tons of it coming out now-of government fore-knowledge of terrorist cells here, ignoring warnings, and having all sorts of legal and illegal ties with the terrorists in the international big money guns and drugs and oil games. This is a setup, the mother of all scams. Look at the militarization of the police all over, the all black uniforms, the ski and hockey masked anonymous cops being used. Dual badged. Using military in civvie clothes domestically. Look at all the vote scams and now they want it all electronic with zero way to verify votes anymore, it's all scammable electrons. Unlimited mass illegal immigration, they encouraged it. Going out of their way to fake out the middle class that forever-debt is "wealth" and to strip wealth creating jobs out of the domestic economy is "good for america". To make us beholden to overseas supplies from international fascist monopolists in bed with dictators for our energy and food and manufactured goods. Counterfeit money "notes" passed off as "U.S. dollars". Propoganda as "news". Digital Demon on the fast track, here comes your chip and the cashless society so you can be completely traced and controlled. Manufacturing thousands of pseudo "laws" to make everyone a potential felon so they can further control you. Destroying the red zone rural areas of the nation economically on purpose to get everyone herded into the mega cities-more control. On and on, thousands of examples..

NWO, right on schedule, one step at a time.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, but other than that how's your day going? LOL

I hear you bud. Still the drones march on oblivious to reality...

[ravingnutter]

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In a letter to his colleagues dated Oct. 5, Rep. Bob Barr (R-Georgia) urged his colleagues to adopt the House Judiciary bill, dubbed the Patriot Act.

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WASHINGTON, October 3, 2001 - After several days of lengthy negotiations with Justice Department officials, colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee, and civil liberties organizations, U.S. Representative Bob Barr (GA-7) today offered his support for the Administration’s anti-terrorism legislation. The bill will be marked-up today by the House Judiciary Committee, and will be voted on by the full House in the next several days.

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[zog]

--my day is fine, thankyou! Just wondering when barr is finally going to wake up one day and see that the WOD is 100% tied in with all these other abuses, this creeping junta-ism we are "enjoying" now. It's too bad, it's like he 'almost' get's it, gets real darn close then get's this blinders deal on the full magilla.

[Lord_Baltar]

I'm curious as to what the response would have been around here if 'toon had imposed this sort of thing.

If it had been Shakes Reno, instead of Drapery Boy pushing these Anti Constitutional ideals, would people around FR been twisting themselves into human pretzels trying to explain away?

Would folks around FR have been calling Clinton a "Great American" and a "Masterful Leader" for his efforts on such an act against us? Would they have given him a silent pass on comments like "This sure would be easier if this was a Dictatorship, of course with me as Dictator"????

Would Folks around FR be spinning like a lathe defending something like this?

I can answer that simply. No, they'd be screaming holy bloody murder. Mia T would be busy writing a Screed that rivals War and Peace in pages and content. Doug from Upland would be writing full blow Operas against it. Mudboy would be, well, Mudboy.

But suddenly from FR there is nothing but silence. No Doug from Upland songs against this stuff. Mia T is simply re-releaseing Mia T's Greatest Hitpieces, and Where the Hell is Mudboy? Silence, except the pitter patter of Bush Bot foot steps, and the incoherent whirring sound of Bush Spinners twirling up a blur trying to make things like the unPatriot Act, CFR, Amnesty for ILLEGALS, and other Bush F-Ups seem like brilliant plans on the part of their Hero.

Geez, the Clintonistas may have needed kneepads, but the Bush Bots appear to need Goggles as well, so they can see even further inside their Hero.

[DoughtyOne]

Very interesting. Sorry to see this.

[DoughtyOne]

Well... I'm not opposed to the war on drugs, but there are aspects of it that I am very firmly against. No knock raids should be abolished. Assett confiscation should only occur post conviction. Those fund should NOT go to law enforcement. Law enforcement would be blocked from taking posession of any assets until after convictions.

[texlok]

If you asked somebody what they would think of a country that would allow secret searches, make secret arrests and secretly scan electronic communications without a court order, they would probably say the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, various 3rd world countries in Africa and South America....Kinda scary that it describes the US.

Imagine what a liberal could do with the patriot act.

[texlok]

And the feds are wanting local cops to start doing immigration enforcement...much like the brady bill, which should be torn up. They are trying to blend the federal police and local police into one agency.

Not to put my tin-hat on, but the evidence is mounting.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree. I have thought of what Bill Clinton could do with it. And Janet Reno, I dont't even want to think of it.

[zog]

--I'm not a bot but I think I can explain this phenomenon. I'll try anyway.

We just came off 8 years of the most horrible government you can imagine in america. Heinous, beyond traitorus. We have this two political party system that most folks identify with-just because, it's the way it is. I'm not either one but I certainly recognize that most folks are, and that's the way elections go.

Grassroots supporters and activists are that- supporters and activists. You really want your guy to win because you believe in your party and guy, again, that's the way it is.

Now suppose after 8 years of $^*((), your guy and your party finally get in. Hooray! This is great news, and etc. Then later on, it starts to hit ya, there's some strange stuff going on. Stuff that just don't compute. Stuff that don't add up. What can you do? Really, once it's starts to sink in, what's left? Support the other side? Nope, obviously that ain't happening. Go nuts and start tearing down your own party? Nope, that ain't happening. It won't and can't because then if you do, you are left with no practical hope. There's zero way out of your dilemma that's practical. None. You are en-screwed.

Millions of folks are looking at that now. There's varying degrees of it, I've seen it morphing on this very board. It's sobering.

[texlok]

I agree. I have thought of what Bill Clinton could do with it. And Janet Reno, I dont't even want to think of it.

Dear Lord, don't even mention the name "Janet Reno" and the patriot act in the same sentence...being wand-raped at the airport would be the least of our worries.

[zoyd]

Barr took no comfort in the fact the measure expires in four years and must be reauthorized by Congress. "Power taken by the government is rarely returned," he warned.

Shockingly True Admission of the Day.

[texlok]

There's zero way out of your dilemma that's practical. None. You are en-screwed.

Millions of folks are looking at that now. There's varying degrees of it, I've seen it morphing on this very board. It's sobering.

I've noticed quite a few that are seriously questioning Bush. Not too long ago, if you said something negative about him, you'd get flamed severly. Now some here are calling him the Anti-Christ.

I have a feeling there are a lot of people that are going to be looking elsewhere when the next elections are held.

I don't like the idea of playing spoiler and voting Conservative, but not Republican, in the next election, because Nader managed to get just enough votes to lose Gore the entire national election, and I don't want a liberal in the office.

But if it takes a liberal in the office to put the Republicans on notice that we aren't going to take this left-leaning direction they are going, then so be it, I'll vote for Harry or whoever.

We have to do something. I left the Republican party because I just could not believe how far left they are going. Now they are going even further. It's not even individual Republicans, like those on FR, but the leadership that is doing this. The lower ranks have got to be going nuts.

It's the only way we can wake up the party leadership realize we are serious.

[zoyd]

What is everybody worried about? Dubya said that we'd have to do our part until terrorism is exterminated from the planet.

That should take, what, a couple more months? I'm sure our military can root out every terrorist on the planet in a few months... and once that's done, Dubya will repeal all the Patriot Act / Amerikorps / Democrat-agenda stuff he's been doing, we'll have smooth-running airport security, and none of your rights will be violated. Then he'll actually run the Presidency like a conservative, and all you Bush-Bashers will have to accept that Dubya brought us back from the edge of defeat, reinvigorated our economy through tariffs, hoodwinked the world on CFR, blah blah blah blah.

Get used to losing your liberties -- Dubya has EXPRESSLY said to expect years of the Patriot Act mindset. What bothers me most is this idea that 'once terrorists are gone, we'll give you back your liberties.' Well, terrorists will NEVER be gone. If that's our yardstick, just get ready for fewer liberties in the future than we've got now, never to be returned. Because terrorism will never be eradicated.

[Jhoffa_]

Millions of folks are looking at that now. There's varying degrees of it, I've seen it morphing on this very board. It's sobering.

[zog]

--there's a fancy dancy term for it, called "cognitive dissonance". It's very human and very common. Folks being loaded onto the train cars in europe in ww2 by their neighbors in shiny new black uniforms had it in spades.

Some freeper here-sorry to whomever, I have forgottem, but kudos for this--

"if you're happy and ya know it clank yer chains"