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How will FreeRepublic respond to the Patriot Act?
April 4, 2002 | Buckeroo

Posted on 04/02/2002 11:34:14 PM PST by Buckeroo

America used to be a nation based upon personal freedoms and liberties; we lead the world with free market enterprize. Now we see that even our concepts of speaking out against our own government abuse is making us terrorists.

Will Free Republic turn us in based upon government requests?


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1 posted on 04/02/2002 11:34:14 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
What about the patriot act is offending you? I'm not saying you are not correct in your view, but your post could hardly be more vague.
2 posted on 04/02/2002 11:38:10 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: ChareltonHest
I honestly don't know the ramifications. But we are seeing a serious tragedy upon FR where many folks believe in this government rule, over our Constitution.

Keep in mind, we the people control the government here in America. Not a six-pack of lawyers. Not a few BS politicians; We control our nation; but few try; and only some of us work this problem to bring America back to our national concept of a free nation; based upon liberty and rights.

4 posted on 04/02/2002 11:51:20 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: ChareltonHest
I think we will not have to sue over this. It is already headed to the SCOTUS just on it's lameness alone.

However, the timing is to get this in court during the next election to confuse the election and get Hitlery elected.

The liberals are not stupid. They plot and plan well. Do not underestimate them. This will be used as a "GAG" order on the VRWC(Vast Right Wing Conspiracy). Mark my words.

Look for a Clinton/Gore ticket in 2004.

5 posted on 04/02/2002 11:53:22 PM PST by captnemo1
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To: Buckeroo
I honestly don't know the ramifications. But we are seeing a serious tragedy upon FR where many folks believe in this government rule, over our Constitution.

You're right about that. Half the people here are glad to see American reporters shot if they criticize Israel. They see any reservations about the nuking of Iran, Iraq, Syria or Egypt as pro-palestinian anti-semitism. They object to a declaration of war before bombing Iraq. They see criticism as no different from sedition. I learned about the constitution in the eighth grade. These people must have been home sick that day.

6 posted on 04/02/2002 11:58:08 PM PST by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
The Patriot Act has little to do with the Israeli/Palestine crisis. It is all about you going to jail because government suspects you of being a terrorist.

Never before, in America have we seen government with a free-lance opportunity to hurt our liberties.

7 posted on 04/03/2002 12:08:50 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: A CA Guy
Section 802 paragraph B where it identifies who qualifies as a "domestic terrorist" is quite offensive.

Have you read it?

8 posted on 04/03/2002 1:16:58 AM PST by Verax
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To: Buckeroo
Keep in mind, we the people control the government here in America.

Great theory, however not quite grounded in reality in today's world. If "we the people" control the government, why does the government continually pass laws and policies to control "us"?. As it stands, we are all potential terrorists to the federal government, we are tolerated because we pay taxes.

---max

9 posted on 04/03/2002 1:23:45 AM PST by max61
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To: Verax
correction...Section 802,a,5,B,ii

Defines Domestic Terrorism as activities that appear to be intended to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.

10 posted on 04/03/2002 1:26:17 AM PST by Verax
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To: Buckeroo
The Patriot Act...is all about you going to jail because government suspects you of being a terrorist

Sounds a little hysterical to me. I seriously believe that John Ashcroft will leave you alone provided that you neither fly planes into buildings nor associate with those who plan to do the same or similar.

11 posted on 04/03/2002 1:34:14 AM PST by Slehn
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To: Verax
Defines Domestic Terrorism as activities that appear to be intended to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion

But it also defines Domestic Terrorism as necessarily involving

acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State

in addition to the above definition. While we here at FR may get each other hot under the collar from time to time, we are hardly doing anything dangerous to human life. I don't believe our courts are so far gone that they would let anyone posting here be prosecuted under this act for expressing their opinion.

-ccm

12 posted on 04/03/2002 1:43:14 AM PST by ccmay
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Our friend Bucky is still stinging from the spanking he got the other day...He is trying to make the case that JimRob is now a branch of Big Brother...Be nice to him, he's runnin' low on meds.
13 posted on 04/03/2002 1:56:15 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Buckeroo
Hmmmm...I'm surprised this thread hasn't been yanked yet...
14 posted on 04/03/2002 1:57:10 AM PST by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
It is amazing how much trust is given to our present leaders on the issues of special laws to combat terrorism. We just know that Ashcroft or Bush would not abuse the powers that that they are taking. Somewhere along the way, I missed the news release that they would be in office for the rest of our life span.

I worry about the day another Bubba or, God forbid, his wife becomes the Grand Moo-Mah and decides to use the unconstitutional powers that Congress has given the Presidency. Blind support for a popular individual needs to be looked at down the road, when we elect a potential power hungry President in the future.

15 posted on 04/03/2002 2:24:10 AM PST by meenie
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To: Buckeroo
How will FreeRepublic respond to the Patriot Act?

As long as Bubba-2 is president,the majority will bend over,grab their ankles,and shout,"Thank you,SIR! May I have another?". When Bubba-2 is beaten in 2004 by Bubbette!,these same people will suddenly discover they are morally oppossed to it.

16 posted on 04/03/2002 2:29:30 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: captnemo1
Look for a Clinton/Gore ticket in 2004.

Nope,it will be "Bubbette!/Powell". This is a unbeatable ticket. I look for that lame RINO Bubba-2 to pick the equally lame leftist Rudy Guiliani as his VP running mate in a effort to win by getting the electoral votes in the North East. It's his only chance.

17 posted on 04/03/2002 2:33:48 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: DentsRun
Half the people here are glad to see American reporters shot if they criticize Israel. They see any reservations about the nuking of Iran, Iraq, Syria or Egypt as pro-palestinian anti-semitism. They object to a declaration of war before bombing Iraq. They see criticism as no different from sedition. I learned about the constitution in the eighth grade. These people must have been home sick that day.

I quoted your whole post because it was 100% right on target,and bears repeating. Bravo!

18 posted on 04/03/2002 2:36:06 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Buckeroo
The Patriot Act has little to do with the Israeli/Palestine crisis. It is all about you going to jail because government suspects you of being a terrorist.

Buck,it's a important part of the whole that shows which way this nation is going. We now have what seems like the majority of the voters and activists in both branches of the one party that runs this country in open agreement that statism is a good thing. All they disagree about is "who will be in charge to make the laws and share the spoils?".

19 posted on 04/03/2002 2:38:58 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: max61
If "we the people" control the government, why does the government continually pass laws and policies to control "us"?.

Because the majority of the "us" in both branches of the political party that runs this country WANTS to be controlled by the feral gooberment. Or at least they want the feral gooberment to control their neighbors or anyone who disagrees with them. The left and the right BOTH want a police state. They are in total agreement as to the final destination,they just argue over how best to get there,and who is best qualified to RULE once this police state is obtained.

As it stands, we are all potential terrorists to the federal government, we are tolerated because we pay taxes.

See? You DO understand!

20 posted on 04/03/2002 2:45:10 AM PST by sneakypete
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