Dispute over loud music leaves two dead

AP ^ | April 1, 2002 | AP

[Cultural Jihad]

SAN CLEMENTE, Calif. (AP) - A dispute between two neighbors over loud music ended Monday with one shooting the other and then turning the gun on himself, authorities said.

Neighbors called authorities after hearing eight to 10 gunshots following a heated argument, said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino.

[Cultural Jihad]

"I Did It My Way"? or "La-La-La-La Live For Today"?

[Billy_bob_bob]

What do you want to bet that the music in question was some form of "gangsta rap", with shouted epithets, threats, curses and tauntings all as part of the "lyrics" these diseased "songs" have in them. Maybe this guy harvested what he was sowing?

[jlogajan]

What? You haven't explicitly blamed Libertarianism yet for this. You're slipping.

[ladyinred]

I just had a friend who was murdered by a neighbor because his fireplace smoke drifted into the neighbors yard. Nothing surprises me anymore.
BTW: The two songs you quoted shouldn't make anyone go postal! :)

[Cultural Jihad]

BTW: The two songs you quoted shouldn't make anyone go postal! :)

Indubitably. They were offered as possible cruel and selfish messages which the murderer might have followed in his personal life.

[Cultural Jihad]

I just had a friend who was murdered by a neighbor because his fireplace smoke drifted into the neighbors yard. Nothing surprises me anymore.

How awful.

[Cultural Jihad]

What? You haven't explicitly blamed Libertarianism yet for this. You're slipping.

While the moral-liberalism and immorality which the Libertarian Party lauds and proselytizes does result in death, there is no indication that the person in question was a Party member or just a foot soldier in their cultural war.

[GaltMeister]

Our first press documented case of 'ghetto-blaster rage'. I bet this terrible disease will be added to the list of unfortunate 'disabilities' that plauge our nation, and you and me the taxpayer will have to 'support' these poor inflicted individuals while we (and gummint doctors) help them over this 'hurdle'. If they can't overcome, then it's the permanent disability list, so they can go bowling, take vacations, golf on the sunny days, etc. while we bust our ass to carry them. But its all for the "public welfare" just ask your nearest politician. Or ask "Who is John Galt?"

[I still care]

Oh, oh.... I have it. I freely admit I hate people who blast their stereos. I can't stand them. That bass gets to me - it really does. I once saw a special where the man poisoned a neighbor because he played a loud stereo all the time, and I admit I sympathized with the murderer.

[Jeff Chandler]

"I Did It My Way"? or "La-La-La-La Live For Today"?

Probably bagpipe music. (I'm gonna get flamed big-time for that!)

[driftless]

When I lived in a trailer park, I had a next door neighbor who would as his first order of business when he came home from work crank up his stereo to ear-busting decibels. He fit the stereotype: young, male, long hair, awful heavy metal rock and roll. I too admit that thoughts of homocide crossed my mind. And I was usually sleeping when he turned his "music" on. Now I know I would have never actually murdered the guy, but let's just say if a sixteen ton weight had dropped on him, there wouldn't have been any tears shed by me.

Here's a lesson for you young males who like to play loud rock and roll. That's most young males. I know because I used to do it myself. People hate you for it and would like to see you dead. I consider music played way too loud as physical assault not just a misdemeanor. Think twice before you crank it up.

[G-Bear]

Wait until the offender is asleep (probably during the daytime, anyway) and then let him enjoy some of your music, the way you got to enjoy his. Might I suggest "Stars and Stripes Forever" or perhaps the "1812 Overture" played at the same levels the offender enjoys?

[Rifleman]

I recomend some classical music for this kind of pest control. Something complex and thundering. The Ring Cycle maybe.

[Moonman62]

Oh, oh.... I have it. I freely admit I hate people who blast their stereos. I can't stand them. That bass gets to me - it really does. I once saw a special where the man poisoned a neighbor because he played a loud stereo all the time, and I admit I sympathized with the murderer.

The crazy thing about this story is that it was the guy who was blasting the music who did the killing.

[Moonman62]

What? You haven't explicitly blamed Libertarianism yet for this. You're slipping.

Don't the Libs consider it a constitutional right to blast their music as loud as they want without consideration for others?

[RightWhale]

That bass gets to me

It's not the bass. The bass is a fine instrument. It's the boom of the bass drum that bothers everyone. Bass drums belong in the jungle, not in civilized society.

[jlogajan]

Don't the Libs consider it a constitutional right to blast their music as loud as they want without consideration for others?

No.

[jpl]

Might I suggest "Stars and Stripes Forever" or perhaps the "1812 Overture" played at the same levels the offender enjoys?

I can't remember what city this was in, but I distinctly remember reading a while back about an experiment some store owners did in conjunction with the local police. They discovered that playing the classics like Beethoven and Mozart in their storefront windows was incredibly effective at keeping away street thugs and other undesireable elements. I think one of the windows did get smashes to pieces in the middle of the night however.

[Moonman62]

So the Libertarians believe a law that bans music being played so loud on private property that it disturbs others is constitutional?

[jlogajan]

So the Libertarians believe a law that bans music being played so loud on private property that it disturbs others is constitutional?

H*ll, slavery was constitutional. So what?

Libertarians believe in property rights and the non-initiation of aggression tenet.

Now it is impossible to live without making some noise. On the otherhand, property owners have some rights to limit noises crossing their property lines.

Clearly a property owner has full freedom to play his or her music as loud as she wants -- in a sound reducing bunker, for instance. But you get property infringments when the sound is so loud as to disturb the reasonable expectation of quietness of the property owner.

A property owner who buys land and builds a home at the end of a commerial jet runway does not have the same reasonable expectation of quietness as does a long held property/home owner where a new airport builds next to her.

Where aspects of activities cause consequences that cross property lines by their very nature (sound propogation) you have to apply reasonable-person tests to the alleged infringements. What would a reasonable-person conclude?

Libertarian ideals are concise (as they should be.) But detractors of concise ideals always assert that they should therefore be as if programable into a computer -- push a button and the proper answer pops out.

That will never be the case, but it is a poor reason to attack concise ideals, since the reasonable-person test allows concise ideals to be strived for.