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Rumsfeld Blasts Top Brass
ny daily news ^ | 3.29.2 | RICHARD SISK

Posted on 03/29/2002 10:27:59 AM PST by Pancho13

Rumsfeld Blasts Top Brass General, admiral had complained publicly

By RICHARD SISK Daily News Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ripped two four-star officers yesterday for saying U.S. service members were tired and running out of a key weapon in the war on terror.

Rumsfeld also announced the death of a Navy SEAL, who stepped on a land mine near Kandahar, Afghanistan.

In a rare public rebuke for the top brass, Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, used a televised Pentagon briefing to criticize Army Gen. William Kernan and Adm. Robert Natter, commander of the Atlantic Fleet.

Rumsfeld said Kernan, chief of the Joint Forces Command, was out of line for telling a House panel two weeks ago that the troops were tired because "we are busier than we have ever been."

Rumsfeld said the 1.4 million men and women on active duty don't "begin to fit that characterization."

Natter came under fire for saying the Navy had run short of joint direct attack munitions, or J-DAMs, and had to borrow some of the satellite-guided bombs from the Air Force.

"We damn near ran out in Afghanistan," Natter said three weeks ago.

"The inventory is not depleted," said Myers, who then got into trouble himself. "Even my wife understood this one."

That drew oohs from the media crowd.

"You're in trouble everywhere now," Rumsfeld said in mock horror. "When you say, 'even my wife' — even I know better than to say that."

Myers sheepishly sought to recover by saying, "Mary Jo, turn off the TV."

Uncertainty Persists

After giving an overview of the war, which they said showed steady progress, Rumsfeld and Myers bristled at questions about the troops' readiness.

But concern is widespread at the Pentagon that U.S. forces may be overextended by worldwide commitments.

Top Pentagon officials also have acknowledged that they are pressing manufacturers to churn out more J-DAMs.

Retired Rear Adm. Eugene Carroll said the rebuke of two top officers was highly unusual.

"Reprimands are usually done in private for going off the reservation," he said.

In other developments:

Chief Petty Officer Matthew Bourgeois, 35, a Navy SEAL from Tallahassee, Fla., was killed when he stepped on a land mine during a training exercise near Kandahar. Another serviceman, who was not identified, was wounded in the blast but was expected to recover. Pakistani police arrested more than 30 Islamic militants, including some alleged members of Al Qaeda, in raids in the cities of Lahore and Faisalbad in Punjab province. One suspect was killed and four wounded in shootouts during the raids, the Interior Ministry said.

Original Publication Date: 3/29/02


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; rumsfeld
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To: smithson
I missed something. What country in their right mind , during a war, would spread this information around? Can you explaine this new kind of strategy?

This is 2002, not 1902. Everytime we deploy to some crappy 3rd world country to feed the starving or prop up somebody or to police somebody else, that chinks away at our military might and everybody in the world finds out about it.

If you read the newspapers and the web, you'll know we are spread thin, our forces are everywhere. It's not a strategy, it's called technology. Anything that happens anywhere in the world can be found out easily enough.

Your right. He didn't solve eight years of neglect overnight.

Nope, and unfortunately, it was estimated that for every year of neglect and cut-backs, it would take upto 2 years to get things back to the way they were :-( I for one am glad we have our nukes.

101 posted on 03/29/2002 12:53:57 PM PST by texlok
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To: Pancho13
I think it is stupid to tell the world (especially the enemy) that "our troops are tired and we are running out of munitions." THAT IS JUST PLAIN DUMB AND THE GUY SHOULD BE FIRED!!! No wonder the al-Qaeda are reported to be "regrouping" in Afghanistan! They have been given renewed hope by.....of all people.... a couple of U.S. military "big mouths". ("Loose lips sink ships!!!") And btw, "telling Congress" is the same as telling the world.
102 posted on 03/29/2002 1:04:10 PM PST by Winfield
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To: texlok
I agree with what your saying to some extent but I must refer you to Winfields post #102.
103 posted on 03/29/2002 1:08:46 PM PST by smithson
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To: Pancho13
I would imagine Clinton had these guys promoted when he was in office, and you know they are probably following some kind of agenda against Bush. Don't forget the military was a mess during Clinton's reign. Some bad actors were put in high places.
104 posted on 03/29/2002 1:13:37 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: Pancho13
I think their remarks were loose and illogical. Which troops are too "tired" to mount additiional operations? Are we talking actual physical tiredness? That can't take more than a few days rest before returning to action. Overall fatigue of the army? Big wars in our history have lasted years. This has been a few months. So the comment "we're too tired for any more action right now" was not well thought out.

As to the JDAMS, our military can operate w/o them if necessary, and you don't broadcast that kind of problem.

105 posted on 03/29/2002 1:13:58 PM PST by Williams
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To: fogarty
Sure, but operations against a rag-tag assortment of terrorists doesnt even begin to fit the characterization of major war. Our 1.4 million servicemen and women can handle this and much more without running out of steam. And particulars of weaknesses, low ammo etc, are better handled discreetly unless there is something fundamentally wrong a hand. JMHO.
106 posted on 03/29/2002 1:22:28 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Pancho13
Rumsfeld - I love you!!!!!!!!!!
107 posted on 03/29/2002 1:24:46 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: smithson
True, but if somebody has a subscription to Jane's...wouldn't be hard to figure out a lot of stuff.
108 posted on 03/29/2002 1:24:49 PM PST by texlok
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To: Robert_Paulson2
in the last week we have given the greenlight to israel to destroy arafat moved our base from saudi arabia to another country more amenable to action against iraq announced we "found" 70-90 million more doses of small pox vaccine. stepped up fuel delivery to the middle east region. this is either a high stakes game of chicken or war is coming very soon
109 posted on 03/29/2002 1:31:01 PM PST by veryconernedamerican
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To: swampfox98
"Some bad actors were put in high places."

Agreed. But I highly doubt Admiral Natter was one of them. He started off as an enlisted sailor, got an appointment, and was junior officer in charge of a Naval SpecOps detachment in Vietnam. He's got a bronze star with a combat V, and a purple heart. I doubt this one's a 'bad actor'. Read on:

Admiral Robert J. Natter, United States Navy, was born in Alabama in 1945. He enlisted in the Naval Reserve at the age of 17 as a Seaman Recruit. Following one year of reserve enlisted service and four years at the Naval Academy, he was graduated and commissioned an Ensign in June 1967. Admiral Natter's service at sea included department head tours in a Coastal Minesweeper and Frigate, and Executive Officer tours in two Amphibious Tank Landing Ships and a Spruance Destroyer. He was Officer-in-Charge of a Naval Special Warfare detachment in Vietnam and commanded USS CHANDLER (DDG 996), USS ANTIETAM (CG 54), and the United States SEVENTH Fleet.

Shore assignments included Company Officer and later Flag Secretary to the Superintendent at the U. S. Naval Academy; Executive Assistant to the Director of Naval Warfare in the Office of the Chief of Naval Operations (OPNAV); staff member for the House Armed Services Committee of the 100th Congress of the United States; Executive Assistant to the Commander in Chief, U. S. Pacific Fleet, Executive Assistant to the Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, during Desert Storm Operations in the Middle East; Assistant Chief of Naval Personnel for officer and enlisted personnel assignments; Chief of the Navy's Legislative Affairs organization; and Director for Space, Information Warfare, Command and Control (OPNAV N6). Most recently, he was the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Plans, Policy and Operations (OPNAV N3/N5). Admiral Natter was a distinguished graduate of the U.S. Naval War College. In May 2000, he was honored as the fifth recipient of the Naval War College's annual Distinguished Graduate Leadership Award.

His personal decorations include the Silver Star Medal, three awards of the Distinguished Service Medal, Defense Superior Service Medal, five awards of the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star Medal with Combat V, Purple Heart, two awards of the Meritorious Service Medal, Navy Commendation Medal with Combat V, Navy Achievement Medal with Combat V, and various unit and campaign awards.

110 posted on 03/29/2002 1:38:32 PM PST by fogarty
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To: Pancho13
Why is it so wrong for these top officers, responsible for the lives of so many to tell the truth as they see it to Congress? Has the administration finally gone around the bend in its attempt to stifle any honest examination of their conduct? What do y'all think?

"NO GENERAL EVER HAS ENOUGH TROOPS"

Come on, the military is just a job like any other, except for the few(5,000) who have actually faced combat, none of them needs any rest. Only the stress of combat can cause the weight loss and emotional drain which requires R&R. While the Admiral may have had a point about JDAM stock piles, the JDAM can be replaced by other weapons, and I doubt the military will touch their reserves except in an emergency. Laser guided and TV guided bombs and missiles are more labor intensive than the drop and forget JDAM, but are just as accurate. The thing we should all remember is that "NO GENERAL EVER HAS ENOUGH TROOPS" which is what the complaining is all about.

111 posted on 03/29/2002 1:44:51 PM PST by Eagle74
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To: uncbob
Wasn't Gen. Meyers the Air Force general Clinton elevated to the Joint Chiefs in spite of some adultery scandal, that would have disqualified him for that degree of elevation before the prick-ly Presidential predilections for sexual defiance reset the moral standards of officers and gentlmen into the gutter, and where rummy retreads from yesterday attempt to stifle congessionally appointed and confirmed officers when they tell the truth to Congress.

Shame on Rumsfeld and Meyers. They have repeatedly disgraced the Pentagon and the men and women who serve there by their low standards of truth and morality, and have failed in their responsibility to the Constitution and the people of the United States in the bubbling, deceiful and ineffective war they have pretended to lead. They have arrogantly led us into a fools trap, and when others attempt to alert them to the inevitable strategic suicide they have opted for, they react with childish invective, angry machismo, more insincere frantic flag waving than Democratic convention!

One wonders if Prsident Bush will finally wake up to the fact that his blind anger and quest for a bloddy revenge has made him as predictable as man with a hard on and as easily led to his own political and military downfall. Bush needs to find his General Grant, before his own Burnsides and McClellans turn to gore him in the side like the finale in a Mexican bullring.

112 posted on 03/29/2002 1:45:46 PM PST by Khepry
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Sad very sad...lovely family.
113 posted on 03/29/2002 1:57:45 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Eagle74
"NO GENERAL EVER HAS ENOUGH TROOPS"

As a follow up, all generals truly believe that God is on the side of the bigger battalions. And dispite the proven fact, that technology has given the american soldier a 100 fold power advantage, the generals would still like to out number the enemy.

114 posted on 03/29/2002 2:01:13 PM PST by Eagle74
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To: Khepry
Please provide documentation for your concerns about Gen. Myers.
115 posted on 03/29/2002 2:14:23 PM PST by kayak
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To: Hipixs
ping
117 posted on 03/29/2002 2:31:49 PM PST by kayak
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To: fogarty
Thank you for the info.
118 posted on 03/29/2002 2:33:59 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: Pancho13
I think the press has tried to run this war no matter who it hurt. And I think like wardaddy poster #2, you don't get Rummy's ire up. He deserves a medal for putting up with the stupid questions asked by the press. As for the General and the Adm.'s remark, has anyone seen the original transcript?
119 posted on 03/29/2002 2:35:03 PM PST by yoe
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To: yoe
Time for the mighty United States of America to put a boot to someone's neck.
120 posted on 03/29/2002 2:39:17 PM PST by kinghorse
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