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THE OSCARS!!! Live Thread.... Hosted by The GUILD.
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Posted on 03/24/2002 1:25:38 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

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To: Rose in RoseBear
The problem is that in America we take a spectrum of human types and historically we attempt to fit everyone on that spectrum into a category of either "black" or "white." Various other cultures (for instance, Brazil) classify people by color, rather than race.

Thus in Brazil, people will often have a full brother or sister who is considered to be of different color. In America we historically force people into one or the other "race" whether they fit or not.

This either/or dichotomy has actually had some beneficial effects, in the long run. The logic of the Declaration of Independence made the slavery of blacks impossible unless you could somehow remove their humanity. OTOH, once you recognize their humanity, there is no logical place to stop short of recognizing their full rights as equals.

Societies, like Brazil, which are descended from feudal cultures, are able to recognize a range of in-between groups and statuses which just don't fit into our black/white, slave/free, inferior/equal categories.

2,201 posted on 03/24/2002 10:05:36 PM PST by Restorer
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To: latina4dubya
I thought Jessica Parker divorced her hubby or they're in the throes of getting one.
2,202 posted on 03/24/2002 10:06:20 PM PST by StarFan
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To: 43for8
Sorry, but Nicole does absolutely nothing for me. Halle is gorgeous, but like so many Hollyweird women, has mush for brains. Gwyneth is skank, Renee had a 80-watt shiny face mask.

Give me that Australian ski jumping queen, now there is true beauty!

2,203 posted on 03/24/2002 10:06:41 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat;mafree
Ive been sucked into this liberal racial argument long enough,,,,,,,THERE IS A GREAT MOVIE ON Das Boot !!!!

Mafree, If you're a conservative you certainly have an affinity for different political personalities.

It is totally impossible for you to take on this liberal racial perspective and align it with conservative political thought, they are in fact incongruent. One is about individual and personal freedom, one is about an identity and end results of success and failure based on race. You may want to embrace open markets and whatever else, but the culture of racial identitiy cannot be enmeshed with the power of the individual. One is liberal - one is conserative, gues which is which.

2,204 posted on 03/24/2002 10:07:34 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: nunya bidness
Approximately fifty million bucks will now be spent on the best picture chosen (on average).
Halle and Denzel will now command twenty million each to appear on any future set.

I'd venture to say everyone came out OK-- what with bonuses and all.

The difference between the Oscars and Big Time Wrestling is: more people watch the Oscars.

Crooked is as crooked does. The egalitarian Left may have given the impression that tonight's performance included winners and losers, however, upon closer scrutiny, none of the trained seals were sent backstage without a piece of fish.

2,205 posted on 03/24/2002 10:08:29 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Light on the makeup is one thing... but scrunchies? Cameron Diaz, for example, is lovely but what was with the hair? And Jennifer Connolly and Gwyneth Paltrow's dresses were abominations. Connolly's look like she found it in her great-grandma's attic ("Well, it was an ivory shade, once.") and Paltrow's was... well, possibly from the same attic.

(((sigh!)))

All that coin, not to mention all the free gowns designers throw at these gals to wear and the stylists and personal shoppers they pay, and this is what we got...

Ach... my fault for watching.

;^)


2,206 posted on 03/24/2002 10:08:32 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: rbmillerjr
I think Letterman was a big fan of 'Das Boot'.
2,207 posted on 03/24/2002 10:10:09 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: budwiesest
Closer to the truth than you'll ever know.

Cheers!

2,208 posted on 03/24/2002 10:10:36 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: AnnaZ
Were there any good outfits? (I'm a male who tuned in very late, not exactly an expert.)
2,209 posted on 03/24/2002 10:11:14 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: nunya bidness

You have passed the test.

Oh, thank goodness.

;^)

 

Well, the night's antics have drained me. 'Til our posts cross again, my love.

smooch!


2,210 posted on 03/24/2002 10:12:09 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: Jorge
Well I have two White parents and she has one, but I consider her no less White than I am."

Halle looks Black.

Halle looks mixed and far more white than a full blooded black. Simply put, Halle Berry wouldn't fit in National Geographic's Africa documentary.

Neither would most Black Americans, myself definitely included. Still, I am Black and so is Halle.

Halle thinks of herself as Black. Halle is Black. Reality check. Halle is whatever her parent were. Which in this case, half white and half black.

There usually isn't a box where one can check "mixed race," and even if there is, she can check any box she pleases.

What you "think" you are doesn't determined your genes.(duh) Halle made history tonight- that wouldn't have been so if she were White. When will you feel your race is equal enough that such an accomplishment is an individual achievement?

Of course it is an individual achievement but let's not pretend that a Black has won a best actress Oscar before.

I find it really sad that some still have to look at these sorts of things in terms of blacks struggling for recognition.

Who said anything about Blacks struggling for recognition? I already have my BA degree and job- Halle's win is unlikely to make me do anything I haven't already done in life.

It reminds me of something I read about wealthy black atheletes, who somehow still cannot see themselves as part of the upper "rich" class of Americans. This seems to indicate that these sort of black inferiority complexes are not rooted in being oppressed or deprived at all...but rather just being black.

What these athletes understand is that they can be upper class all they want but they're still Black. That doesn't have to be a bad thing but it ain't gonna change history.

This is wrong. You should like yourself and being black just as whites like themselves and like being white.

You don't know me that well do you? If any black person on FR likes themselves and likes being Black I do. My being glad that a Black actress finally won a best actress Oscar sure doesn't cancel that out and if you think it does you have a lot to learn.

2,211 posted on 03/24/2002 10:12:34 PM PST by mafree
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To: nunya bidness
Texaggie is suspended again.
2,212 posted on 03/24/2002 10:13:52 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: niki
Maybe some people believe in a color blind society and are just getting sick of everything being about race.

I don't believe in a color blind society, though it is a nice idea. Still, it isn't always about race but when it is, it is.

2,213 posted on 03/24/2002 10:13:56 PM PST by mafree
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To: SarahW
Her features are really not like most of the black women I know, but then few women I know are really drop dead gorgeous. She has more of blended look going on - with a lot of caucasian influence.

I wouldn't deny the caucasian influence in Halle- I have it too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't think of ourselves as Black.

2,214 posted on 03/24/2002 10:15:37 PM PST by mafree
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To: majordivit
Actually Denzel Washington went out of his way to downplay the "race" issue. He was shooting the guilty-white-liberal questions back at them. I heard him answer questions with questions, i.e When he was asked "What does it mean to be the first black actor to win leading actor since Sidney blah blah blah..." and Denzel asks them "What do think it SHOULD mean?" He said he was going to put this Oscar next to HIS OTHER OSCAR or wherever his kids wanted to put it--I loved when he said that.. And that since he has been nominated 5 times and won twice he seemed to say he wasn't interested in playing the "oppressed black actor" bit like Halle was.
2,215 posted on 03/24/2002 10:16:18 PM PST by 43for8
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To: rbmillerjr
Explain what playa hatin means?

It's a "Black" term for someone bashing someone else out of resentment, envy or jealously.

2,217 posted on 03/24/2002 10:16:50 PM PST by mafree
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To: StarFan
that was just a rumor because she didn't mention him when she won some award, and he didn't attend the ceremony... he was actually on broadway, she was trying to be brief in her speech... he is in love with her, she says he's the one she will still be married to 40-50 yrs. from now... they seem solid... not it the public too much as a couple...
2,218 posted on 03/24/2002 10:17:03 PM PST by latina4dubya
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To: ValerieUSA
No, she went too far in her accusation of racism. She is far from ever being colorblind -

I ain't tryin' to be colorblind- that's an unrealistic way to be in this world.

2,220 posted on 03/24/2002 10:19:00 PM PST by mafree
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