166 years later, Texas recalls the Goliad massacre - "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!"

The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 24, 2002 | By NATALIE ORNISH / Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News

[Theodore R.]

Another irony, today the people in Goliad are probably more symathetic to the illegal aliens than they are to the hard-pressed Texas taxpayers who fund "services" for these immigrants. Goliad is a heavily Democrat area -- Tony Sanchez will sweep it.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Not according to President Bush.

[MeekOneGOP]

Here's one just for grins (doesn't have anything to do with this article's history..........

"Judge Roy Bean, the `Law West of the Pecos,' holding court at the old town of Langtry, Texas in 1900, trying a horse thief. This building was courthouse and saloon. No other peace officers in the locality at that time."
http://www.nara.gov/nara/nn/nns/west084.jpg

So where's Miss Lily??....................

Slow Down There, Judge!

[Restorer]

The population of Mexico City in the mid-18th century was around 170,000.

[Restorer]

Make that mid-19th century. No idea what it was 100 years earlier.

BTW, I recently finished Jeff Shaara's novel about the MExican War, Gone For Soldiers. Really interesting book.

The Mexican Army was mostly used to terrorizing peasants and Indians. They fought against a modern army about as well as the Taliban did.

[Brownie74]

Send a copy of this to Bush. He needs to read it.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Great story. Thanks for sharing, Meek.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

2000 mejicans hammered less than 200 of us.

[Jane Dough]

Thanks for the FAB effort, M n M! Really enjoyed the bio & fotos. It's neat that this history 'lesson' is stimulating so much conversation! Thanks again. :)

[VOA]

The Mexican Army was mostly used to terrorizing peasants and Indians.
They fought against a modern army about as well as the Taliban did.

That certainly was the picture presented in the PBS series on the Mexican-American war.

I hadn't read much about the event, but it was a real eye-opener to hear about the
U.S. Army marching up the same road from Veracruz to Mexico City as Cortez had taken...
and the Mexican Army under Santa Ana seemingly either too addled or disorganized to stop them.

It got so bad, I started feeling sorry for some of the Mexican officers that tried to
take the proper actions to impede the rolling tide of the US Army, but were stopped by
either the stupidity or political machinations of their superiors.

When I start feeling empathy for an army oppossed to US forces...that's a very sad bunch
of fellows.
And even though it's probably a part of the thinking of about 1% of current undocumented
migrants from Mexico, I do at least hold out the thought that maybe some of
them come north to "join the winning team".

[Restorer]

The Shaara book doesn't portray the US generals as perfect by any stretch, but the Mexican generals were as much politicians as soldiers. He shows Santa Ana as intentionally no reinforcing one of his generals who has gained a momentary advantage for fear that his winning of a battle could make him a political rival. This is no way to win a war.

I didn't get a chance to see the PBS show you reference. We often don't recognize how much the non-political nature of our own armed forces contributes to their military effectiveness. A war in a country with a tradition of military generals combines the worst features of war and election campaigns.

[MeekOneGOP]

Hey, Summer! I was busy this afternoon posting pics and links to this article. It just dawned on me
that you might be interested in seeing this. A little bit of Texas history. Send this to Jeb!............

[MeekOneGOP]

I used to visit Goliad often when I was a little boy. It was one of my most favorite places to go. We could still find indian arrow heads in the Goliad area.

My Grandfather was a Lutheran missionary to Texas (from Germany) and Goliad was one of the towns where he lived and preached.

Texas history owes a lot to it's German heritage! My Uncle (my Mom's brother-in-law) was German, from Minnesota. He passed away a couple of years ago and is dearly missed by all of us. He had a special sense of humor (dry humor) that we all appreciated and loved......

I remember when I visited our good friends in Lockhart, Texas years ago, we loved looking for and finding the flint rock and hoped to find the arrowheads as well........

Thanks!

[DrNo]

Thank you for posting this!

I have recently discovered that I may have had a relative killed at Goliad.

[summer]

Thanks for the flag! This is a fascinating thread. And, I think YOU would most enjoy sending it to him! jeb@jeb.org

[okie01]

May I suggest:

Mi Tierra Cafe & Bakery, in the market, just west of downtown. Eat in or dine al fresco on the patio.

A really good place to get to know San Antonio, which is one of America's finest cities.

[MeekOneGOP]

As a teacher of American History I do teach both the saga of The Alamo and the subsequent JUSTICE of the attack at Goliad. This is very good stuff.

But NEXT week, we are driving from Miami, Florida out to Texas to pick up our new born puppy and we intend to completely soak up the rich history of San Antonio. I'm going to take the tour of the Alamo but not tell the tour guide I'm a teacher of American History. See if she can guess my profession. LOL

Can any FREEPER out there recommend a good place to get STEAK; as well as a good Mexican restaurant in San Antonio that won't also eat the entire wallets of a pair of teachers?

Way to go, and thanks!

Billie, you know of any good restaurants in SA for this good hard working FReeper teacher?........

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!!! Goliad - la Bahia - is one of my most beloved spots in Texas. I have a painting of the mission in my dining room.

[antidemocommie]

To: antidemocommie I too, am native, but don't believe Texas belongs only to whites. So do you simply ignore Mexicans that fought alongside the immigrants against the tyrannical Mexican govt? They were just as important in securing independence for Texas. 33 posted on 3/24/02 1:54 PM Pacific by Diddle E. Squat

Were those "mexcians"? I thought they were brown skinned Texans. Theres a lot of BS out there these days. Everyone but honkies call themselves "_____ Americans". I prefer to call myself just an American. I don't believe you can be both a Mexican and a Texan. Nor can you be a Mexican and an American. You are either a Mexican, or an American PERIOD. End of story.

Now, if you'll fight against mexcio to save Texas, you can call yourself a Texan. But, if you would run to the other side, or avoid the conflict, then you are no Texan.

[crystalk]

Maybe every Goliad anniversary, 342 Mexican illegals chosen at random, should be executed by firing squad.

That ought to have a salutary effect on the rest.